DOD (army) new BSTRS

[E5911]

The army is currently installing new P25 380mhz trunking systems in Arizona. The systems are about 98% AES encrypted. All public safety, all mission related is now required to be encrypted. The only unencrypted TG in the system in yuma is the maint folks.

[radioprescott]

Is this the Yuma Proving Grounds or ? Any details: freqs, TGs, sites, etc?

MCAS Yuma has a 380 system too. I wonder if its part of the DOD network? But just not added yet?

Originally Posted by E5911

The army is currently installing new P25 380mhz trunking systems in Arizona. The systems are about 98% AES encrypted. All public safety, all mission related is now required to be encrypted. The only unencrypted TG in the system in yuma is the maint folks.

[E5911]

MCAS and YPG are not linked, I don't know the frequencies, just what i said before, all encryption, all the time....

[FLANO]

I've updated two TRS's ... check em out and report back and submit what you find please

[MtnBiker2005]

Nice find on these newer P25 sites.

Does anyone have Pro96com Tower####.txt reports available to read ?

Just looking for some "Site Neighbors" info for these newer P25 sites.

Thanks!

[radioprescott]

I was doing some comparisons, and the System ID and the WACN for the newly reported MCAS Yuma system seem match the US DOD systems.

Maybe the Yuma MCAS systems may be part of the DOD system.

Site ID 5-010 and 5-011 are not in the DOD system list and may be the 510 and 511 sites in the MCAS system. However site 502 is duplicated as 5-002 MCAS Camp Pendelton.

The YPG system does not seem to have the same SYSID and WACN, so not sure what to make of that one.

[FLANO]

Originally Posted by radioprescott

I was doing some comparisons, and the System ID and the WACN for the newly reported MCAS Yuma system seem match the US DOD systems.

Maybe the Yuma MCAS systems may be part of the DOD system.

Site ID 5-010 and 5-011 are not in the DOD system list and may be the 510 and 511 sites in the MCAS system. However site 502 is duplicated as 5-002 MCAS Camp Pendelton.

The YPG system does not seem to have the same SYSID and WACN, so not sure what to make of that one.

Thanks John,

I missed that. Good catch.

I'll see about getting that corrected.

[MtnBiker2005]

Took a trip out to the Julian, California area today.
Heard these two sites from a hilltop.

Sorry didn't have the laptop with me to use the Pro96Com software

Found Site 512

385.8000 - Site 512 14C BEE00 - (It came in weak from the monitoring area in Julian.)
386.0625 - Site 502 14C BEE00 - Already listed on RRDB for Yuma area.

So Keep your eye out for site 512 in the Yuma area

Extra note: Site 503 386.2000 14C - Came in weak from the Julian area / Already listed in database.

Latest updates will be posted on this topic.
[Re: Newer 380 MHz P25 system Sites]
http://scandiego.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1561

Later

[MtnBiker2005]

From the PDF file.

MCAS YUMA P25 LMR SPRING HILL SITE LAYOUT.
"Proposed Spring Hill Communications Tower Site"
Microwave Link: Via Black Mountain and Telegraph Pass to MCAS Yuma
(PDF Page 12 , 13 , 17 , 18 , 19 , 23 )

1.2 REGIONAL LOCATION
The proposed project would be located on approximately 1.6 acres (0.7 hectares [ha]) of undeveloped land in a remote area of Spring Hill, California. Spring Hill lies on the southern slopes of the Chuckwalla Mountain Range in east Riverside County, which borders Imperial County to the south and San Diego County to the southwest (Figure 1.1-1). The project site would be located northeast of the Anza-Borrego Desert State Park and southeast of Joshua Tree National Park (Figure 1.1-1). The site is located in the Chuckwalla Desert Wildlife Management Area (DWMA) (Figure 1.1-2).

2.2.1.1 Very High Frequency/Ultra High Frequency (VHF/UHF) Antennas
Five VHF/UHF AM/FM antennas located on the tower would be augmented with a high-performance directional antenna. The microwave transceiver at Spring Hill would connect by line-of-sight to an existing communications facility at Black Mountain, approximately 41 miles (65 kilometers [km]) to the southeast, where a new transceiver would be added to one of that site’s existing communications towers. From Black Mountain, the microwave signal would be relayed to MCAS Yuma via an existing microwave station at Telegraph Pass (which is approximately 39 miles [62 km] southeast of Black Mountain and approximately 16 miles [25 km] east of MCAS Yuma). Other government agencies also may install antennas on the tower.

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...%202009%29.pdf (PDF FILE).

[MtnBiker2005]

Updates for those newer Yuma sites.
Took a trip out to the Julian, California area today.
Heard these two sites from a hilltop. Only had time to log it for 1 minute each.

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SystemID: 14C
Site NAC: 14C

FileVersion:6
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 14C
System Name :
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 529
Tower Number (Hex) : T051D
Tower Description : (null)
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Sun Oct 7 08:37:45 2012

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625, 1
02,380.00000,0.01250,10.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250, 1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Frequency(/Slot),Hit Count
"02-0401","c",385.01250,395.01250,0
"02-0683","a",388.53750,398.53750,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
521,"T0515",14c,"02-0555",386.93750 - Connected,Current
522,"T0516",14c,"02-0683",388.53750 - Connected,Current
523,"T0517",14c,"02-0671",388.38750 - Connected,Current
524,"T0518",14c,"02-0672",388.40000 - Connected,Current
525,"T0519",14c,"02-0485",386.06250 - Connected,Current
528,"T051C",14c,"02-0660",388.25000 - Connected,Current

10/7/2012 8:36 Affiliate 37351 T: 529 DT: 10/7/12@8:36 15033002 TG: 37351 DT: 10/7/12@8:36

10/7/2012 8:36 20 00 92 00 FF FF FD E5 62 AA 13 93 ACK: System -> 15033002 (Data Channel Request)
10/7/2012 8:36 A0 00 92 00 FF FF FD E5 62 AA F7 A7 ACK: System -> 15033002 (Data Channel Request)

3A 00 00 31 4C 05 1D 21 91 70 A3 77 10/07 08:37:04 RFSS Status Broadcast - SysID: 14C Status: Connected Zone: 5 Site: 29 Control: 2-0401(385.01250) Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
39 00 05 1D 22 AB 04 22 AB 04 39 21 10/07 08:37:04 Alternate Control Broadcast - Channel 1: 2-0683(388.53750) Cap: Backup control channel only Channel 2: 2-0683(388.53750) Cap: Backup control channel only
BC 00 00 31 4C 05 18 22 A0 70 E7 4D 10/07 08:37:04 Neighbor Status Broadcast - SysID: 14c Zone: 5 Site: 24 Control: 2-0672(388.40000) Status: Connected Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
09 90 0C 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 8C F3 10/07 08:37:04 Unknown Op=09 Mfg 90(Motorola) Binary Value: 00001100 10000000
30 00 00 00 6A 19 47 7C 6A D2 BA 5E 10/07 08:37:04 TDMA Sync Broadcast - 2012/10/07 15:35 (%l) -10
B4 00 25 8C 80 64 04 87 AB 00 20 64 10/07 08:37:04 Identifier Update - ID: 02 Base: 380.00000 Spacing: 0.01250 Bandwidth: 0.01250 TX Offset: 10.00000
3D 00 03 22 D0 32 0A 25 10 A2 63 A0 10/07 08:37:04 Identifier Update - ID: 00 Base: 851.00625 Spacing: 0.00625 Bandwidth: 0.00625 TX Offset: -45.00000
16 00 00 40 FF FF FF FF 00 01 5F CB 10/07 08:37:04 Data Channel Update - Status: Available Channels: None
BB 00 00 BE E0 01 4C 21 91 70 69 54 10/07 08:37:04 Network Status Broadcast - WACN: BEE00 Control: 2-0401(385.01250) Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
20 00 92 00 FF FF FD E5 62 AA 13 93 10/07 08:37:05 ACK: System -> 15033002 (Data Channel Request)
05 90 00 23 00 05 81 02 00 00 81 0C 10/07 08:37:05 Unknown Op=05 Mfg 90(Motorola)
BA 00 00 31 4C 05 1D 21 91 70 47 43 10/07 08:37:05 RFSS Status Broadcast - SysID: 14C Status: Connected Zone: 5 Site: 29 Control: 2-0401(385.01250) Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
20 00 92 00 FF FF FD E5 62 AA 13 93 10/07 08:37:05 ACK: System -> 15033002 (Data Channel Request)
39 00 05 1D 22 AB 04 22 AB 04 39 21 10/07 08:37:05 Alternate Control Broadcast - Channel 1: 2-0683(388.53750) Cap: Backup control channel only Channel 2: 2-0683(388.53750) Cap: Backup control channel only
BC 00 00 31 4C 05 1C 22 94 70 E4 ED 10/07 08:37:05 Neighbor Status Broadcast - SysID: 14c Zone: 5 Site: 28 Control: 2-0660(388.25000) Status: Connected Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
09 90 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EF 7F 10/07 08:37:05 Unknown Op=09 Mfg 90(Motorola) Binary Value: 00001111 00000000
34 00 25 8C 80 64 04 87 AB 00 C4 50 10/07 08:37:05 Identifier Update - ID: 02 Base: 380.00000 Spacing: 0.01250 Bandwidth: 0.01250 TX Offset: 10.00000
16 00 00 40 FF FF FF FF 00 01 5F CB 10/07 08:37:05 Data Channel Update - Status: Available Channels: None
BB 00 00 BE E0 01 4C 21 91 70 69 54 10/07 08:37:05 Network Status Broadcast - WACN: BEE00 Control: 2-0401(385.01250) Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
05 90 00 23 00 05 81 02 00 00 81 0C 10/07 08:37:05 Unknown Op=05 Mfg 90(Motorola)

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SystemID: 14C
Site NAC: 14C

FileVersion:6
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 14C
System Name :
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 528
Tower Number (Hex) : T051C
Tower Description : (null)
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Sun Oct 7 08:40:20 2012

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625, 1
02,380.00000,0.01250,10.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250, 1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Frequency(/Slot),Hit Count
"02-0660","c",388.25000,398.25000,0
"02-0674","a",388.42500,398.42500,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
521,"T0515",14c,"02-0555",386.93750 - Connected,Current
522,"T0516",14c,"02-0683",388.53750 - Connected,Current
523,"T0517",14c,"02-0671",388.38750 - Connected,Current
524,"T0518",14c,"02-0672",388.40000 - Connected,Current
525,"T0519",14c,"02-0485",386.06250 - Connected,Current
529,"T051D",14c,"02-0401",385.01250 - Connected,Current

3A 00 00 31 4C 05 1C 22 94 70 73 66 10/07 08:40:03 RFSS Status Broadcast - SysID: 14C Status: Connected Zone: 5 Site: 28 Control: 2-0660(388.25000) Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
3B 00 00 BE E0 01 4C 22 94 70 2B C5 10/07 08:40:03 Network Status Broadcast - WACN: BEE00 Control: 2-0660(388.25000) Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
BC 00 00 31 4C 05 15 22 2B 70 19 A9 10/07 08:40:03 Neighbor Status Broadcast - SysID: 14c Zone: 5 Site: 21 Control: 2-0555(386.93750) Status: Connected Cap: Data,Voice,Registration
05 90 00 00 00 05 81 02 00 00 37 78 10/07 08:40:03 Unknown Op=05 Mfg 90(Motorola)
39 00 05 1C 22 A2 04 22 A2 04 93 A4 10/07 08:40:03 Alternate Control Broadcast - Channel 1: 2-0674(388.42500) Cap: Backup control channel only Channel 2: 2-0674(388.42500) Cap: Backup control channel only
96 00 00 40 FF FF FF FF 00 01 BB FF 10/07 08:40:03 Data Channel Update - Status: Available Channels: None
3D 00 13 25 E0 32 09 15 75 62 1B 36 10/07 08:40:03 Identifier Update - ID: 01 Base: 762.00625 Spacing: 0.00625 Bandwidth: 0.00625 TX Offset: 30.00000
30 00 00 00 6A 19 47 7D 09 BA 3E B9 10/07 08:40:03 TDMA Sync Broadcast - 2012/10/07 15:40 (%l) -10
89 90 0C 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 68 C7 10/07 08:40:03 Unknown Op=09 Mfg 90(Motorola) Binary Value: 00001100 10000000
************************************************** *************************************************

[radioprescott]

Hi MtnBiker - any chance one of these mystery sites could be NAF El Centro?

ScanDiego.com is reporting TGs 20498 and 24106 for El Centro on the Navy ELMR system...

I'm going to San Diego next month, and I'll run through Yuma and on west to see what I can find from this end.

[MtnBiker2005]

At this time I would say NO... Based on RadioID and the one Talkgroup and Site NAC I logged above.
Might get additional information today.

[MtnBiker2005]

All sites above sites showing "ST!" aka "Site Trunking" at this time.

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Updates voice freqs for Site 529 for the above post.
This should match a ground location with initials "SH".
(Not sure if one of the Ridge line/Mountain using S.... H....)

-Frequencies
"02-0401","c",385.01250,395.01250,0
"02-0516","v",386.45000,396.45000,1
"02-0528","v",386.60000,396.60000,1
"02-0662","v",388.27500,398.27500,1
"02-0683","a",388.53750,398.53750,0
Only logged this Talkgroup 37351
RadioIDs: 15022020 {Lincoln this is EOD2} , 15033001 , 15033002 , 15031042 ,

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SITE 525

"ST!" aka "Site Trunking"

Site NAC: 14C

FileVersion:6
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 14C
System Name :
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 525
Tower Number (Hex) : T0519
Tower Description : (null)
Control Capabilities : Voice,Registration
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Mon Oct 8 10:34:13 2012

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625, 1
02,380.00000,0.01250,10.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250, 1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Frequency(/Slot),Hit Count
"02-0485","c",386.06250,396.06250,0
"02-0730","a",389.12500,399.12500,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
521,"T0515",14c,"02-0555",386.93750 - Connected,Stale
522,"T0516",14c,"02-0683",388.53750 - Connected,Stale
523,"T0517",14c,"02-0671",388.38750 - Connected,Stale
524,"T0518",14c,"02-0672",388.40000 - Connected,Stale
528,"T051C",14c,"02-0660",388.25000 - Connected,Stale
529,"T051D",14c,"02-0401",385.01250 - Connected,Stale

************************************************** *************************************************
SITE 527

"ST!" aka "Site Trunking"

Site NAC: 14C

FileVersion:6
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 14C
System Name :
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 527
Tower Number (Hex) : T051B
Tower Description : (null)
Control Capabilities : Voice,Registration
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Mon Oct 8 10:30:24 2012

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.00625, 1
02,380.00000,0.01250,10.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250, 1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Frequency(/Slot),Hit Count
"02-0454","c",385.67500,395.67500,0
"02-0618","a",387.72500,397.72500,0

-Neighbors
No sites listed

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