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02-11-2013, 5:40 PM
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Arizona DPS broadcast an ATL very early this morning on a black VW Jetta with California plates supposedly being driven by Dorner, who may have been headed here to the Phoenix-Mesa area.
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02-11-2013, 6:03 PM
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this one? I asked a guy about a tweet a couple days ago, and he said he worked with USC Public Safety and they were given the plate by LAPD.
Black Volkswagen Jetta #4FZH98?
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02-11-2013, 6:39 PM
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Yeah, that one.
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02-11-2013, 6:58 PM
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I haven't heard any tactical alert broadcasts today, but I did hear an announcement that all SLO, Z, and Gang (specialized) units to log off and re-log on as A or X (patrol) cars.
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02-11-2013, 8:51 PM
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San Bernardino Police System 10 Live Audio Feed; 2130 EST dispatched 2 units, then at least 2 more units to a location where suspect was reported seen.2142 EST Notification per patrol supervisor to Dorner Task Force, also per Patrol Supervisor units on scene and responding restricted radio comms until further notice.
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02-11-2013, 8:52 PM
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The CBS Evening News stated that the LAPD tactical alert has been discontinued.
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02-11-2013, 9:12 PM
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A Tactical Alert is defined in the online LAPD Media Guide (a pdf document) as " The preliminary stage of the Department Mobilization Plan. A Tactical Alert is an announcement of the anticipated redistribution of on-duty officers to achieve personnel levels necessary for controlling an emergency." Also check out Mobilization and Modified Tactical Alert on pages 24 and 28 in the glossary there.
What that basically means is that during a disaster or other emergency situation, officers in some or all divisions, as announced, confine their activity to " police work of major importance" (see below), so they remain available to be deployed to the concerned incident(s) as needed. All urgent and emergency calls for service continue to be dispatched, but most non-priority calls in affected divisions are not dispatched, but the callers are referred to their local division station to make reports. "Code 7s" (lunch breaks) and routine running of suspects and licenses over the radio are restricted.
A division Watch Commander, Field Commander or Communications Division can call for a Tactical Alert, and it's Communications Division that is responsible for broadcasting it on radio frequencies citywide and other internal communications networks, with a general description and location of the incident, which patrol areas and divisions are affected, and other relevant information. Communications Div also makes direct notifications to a number of specified department offices and personnel as well as outside agencies.
"Police Work of Major Importance" is defined in the online Department Manual, Volume 0. Section 030 as " police activities involving the arrest, processing, and detention of felony suspects and intoxicated drivers, and activities necessary to the immediate interest of public safety and protection of life and property. Investigations shall be limited to those activities which include felonies, deaths, serious injuries, and City‑property involved traffic collisions involving injuries or substantial property damage." |
Ok, Thank you. I have heard that the one man units, And motor units have to come off the streets. I have also heard that all calls get 2 units per call, Is that true KMA367?
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02-12-2013, 1:30 AM
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California 4FZH983 is the correct license plate of the 1998 (99?) black VW Jetta that Dorner is alledged to be driving right now. AZ DPS rebroadcast the ATL a short while ago.
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02-12-2013, 2:59 AM
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DPS has, for 2 nights in a row, broadcast an ATL for Dorner on multiple district, statewide, and CID channels. I've heard it both times myself. Is there an organized manhunt? I don't know. Has an ATL been broadcast? Yes.
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02-12-2013, 3:35 AM
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LAPD Tactical Alert procedures
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Ok, Thank you. I have heard that the one man units, And motor units have to come off the streets. I have also heard that all calls get 2 units per call, Is that true KMA367?
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If you mean for the Dorner tactical alert(s), I've seen media reports about motor officers being reassigned to cars for better physical protection, and over the scanner I've heard many, but not all calls being dispatched to two 2-officer units. LAPD doesn't generally field too many one-officer patrol cars, other than supervisors and 1-officer "cold report"-taking units. Under the present circumstances I wouldn't be at all surprised if they've paired up all single-officer units, with the possible exception of supervisors.
None of those three procedures are common for Tactical Alerts in general, which can be called for a very wide variety of circumstances requiring more manpower than usually available - riots, barricaded suspects, wildfires, large planned or unplanned demonstrations or public events, earthquakes, or even for the "simple" reason that a division finds itself backlogged with more high-priority calls than they can reasonably handle within the dispatch time limits. Every incident is unique, so the alerts have a basic framework that can be expanded or contracted as necessary, and depending on the type of incident officers can be deployed as and where needed. Also, most Tactical Alerts are fairly localized and last only a matter of hours, so it's not necessary or practical to make any changes to officers' assignments or vehicles for the day.
Since this is a radio-related forum, part of calling Tactical Alerts includes having enough frequencies to handle the situation. Again, Communications Division is responsible for assigning those frequencies in consultation with the Incident or Department Commander, and the Tac Alert broadcasts should indicate which, if any, frequencies are restricted for the incident. The specific use for each frequency is handled by the Incident Commander and may or may not be part of the broadcast. Many detective and other specialized units have access to a number of frequencies that patrol officers don't, and those are seldom if ever mentioned on the commonly used frequencies.
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02-12-2013, 11:04 AM
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I remember watching the live video when they were searching his mothers house. There were two black cars in the driveway. One on them was definately a VW, and if not a Jetta, a similar car.
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02-12-2013, 12:15 PM
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IMHO Dorner is a bombpop. Just spitballing but enough time has past I think it's okay to post a few thoughts. From what I heard on the scanner and from talking to other sources, he was tracked walking west away from his crashed track at 2N10 & Orsita Camp Rd. As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit" and Dorner got hit. He didn't plan on stealing a boat only to not be able to start it. He didn't plan on wrecking his truck while driving into a blizzard. He was fired from the Navy and fired from LAPD. He has no survival training and was a problem child in the academy according to those who went through it with him. Word is he failed the pride run, a run at the end with the instructors, he rode in the van back when he couldn't hack that easy run. Black Rambo? I don't think so. He has just the standard awards and ribbons from his Navy service, no high speed low drag stuff at all. Advanced cop skills? He was a new beat patrol cop, not the seasoned veteran or detective who would have those skill sets.
Back to Big Bear .That area is fairly flat where he bailed but going west it ends looking down a deep nasty canyon. I later heard the trackers/dog team say he was moving NW which made sense if he was rimming that nasty canyon instead of trying to cross it. If Dorner went down that canyon I doubt he made it far, it's almost a day's walk in good weather to bushwack down the mtn there, done it a couple times while deer hunting. You'd end up down south by Seven Oaks which is a tiny mtn resort surrounded by a lot of church and scout cabins and camps. If he went NW that would put him up by hwy 18 and the dam at Big Bear Lake which has a lot of homes around there.
It appears he had about a 5 hour headstart with a blizzard rolling in Thurs at nightfall. Temps dipped to the low single digits with a more than normal snowfall for the mtns there. The wind was also up in the 20-30mph range. Trackers reported FOOTPRINTS, not snowshoe tracks. Fat guys don't do well in deep snow, plus he would be postholing without snowshoes which would slow him WAY down. His best bet would have been to hole up and ride out the storm until it broke Fri and then move if he could. The low ceiling had the helos looking for holes so they could get up above it and fly. Sunday was partly cloudy and Monday was clear as a bell on the mtn so anyone moving in that white snow would be easy to spot. Tracks would also be easy to spot.
With drifts up to 8-10 feet in a storm like that if he died of exposure his body may be covered up and the drone won't able to pick up any heat signature. That also means he might not be found till spring thaw in Mar-April.
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02-12-2013, 12:40 PM
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Where is Orsita Camp Road? Is there another name for it?
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02-12-2013, 12:52 PM
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That is interesting to think about. There is a real good chance that he died out there. But I not think we should be underestimating this guy a bit. It could be he's waiting for everything to die down a bit, before starting things back up. To think about I actual hope your right.
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02-12-2013, 12:55 PM
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Karl, 2N17, it's just south of Cedar Lake, goes east off 2N10, 2N10 is also know as Mill Creek Rd. Bluff Lake is to the west where Dorner headed, this is a camp run by the Wildlands Conservancy and a very beautiful area if you're ever up there. Their website shows what that area looks like. THE WILDLANDS CONSERVANCY | BLUFF LAKE PRESERVE
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02-12-2013, 12:58 PM
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That is interesting to think about. There is a real good chance that he died out there. But I not think we should be underestimating this guy a bit. It could be he's waiting for everything to die down a bit, before starting things back up. To think about I actual hope your right.
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Underestimate what? His lack of military or LE special training? His lack of planning? One rant on paper does not a Jason Bourne make. Don't buy the hype the news is generating to sell their stories. So far he has ambushed unsuspecting LE and civilians. I'm still waiting for the ninja moves everyone keeps talking about.
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02-12-2013, 1:11 PM
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USMS has been tracking the movements of J.Y., a known associate of Dorner.
Public records indicate that a family member of J.Y. owns a residential property in Arrow Bear, CA.
I can't find a Arrow Bear, CA. Maybe Arrowbear, CA?
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