CHP System Enhancements

[MrAntsy]

CHP System Enhancements document (draft copy) for your perusal.

http://tinyurl.com/ychu4gk

[avtarsingh]

that doc is full of tons of errors and has been kicked back for corrections

the drawings are 12-22 yrs old and many freqs are wrong in the maps

[MrAntsy]

It is a "draft" and the dwgs aren't that old... you have to look at the revision date on the dwgs.

[cahighwayman25]

Can you find a high quality version of the new color/freq map? Esentially the color map that shows the new frequencies.

Trevor KI6KGN

[wolter]

Originally Posted by avtarsingh

that doc is full of tons of errors and has been kicked back for corrections

the drawings are 12-22 yrs old and many freqs are wrong in the maps

I'm sure you will agree that everyone is interested in accuracy. Data should be as accurate as possible.

With that in mind, please state your source. How do you know that it is "full of tons of errors", that it "has been kicked back for corrections", that "the drawings are 12-22 yrs old" (age does not mean inaccuracy, buy the way), and that "many freqs are wrong in the maps". Those are some pretty bold statements you made; please state your source so that the information here may be accurate.

Earlier you posted a spreadsheet about CHP. You were asked about your source, but from what I recall, you never replied with it. You also made several statements about Caltrans -- all of which were untrue. So as you can see, you have given reason to question the information that you provide.

Please do not take this personally. But in the interest of accuracy, please state your source. How do you know all of your statements to be true?

[inigo88]

MrAntsy, despite the earlier criticisms that is an incredibly informative document on CHP radio infrastructure - by far the most interesting and in depth I've seen to date. Thank you very much for sharing it, it has been an educational read.

[avtarsingh]

i made inaccurate statements about caltrans ?

the freqs i posted are from the codeplug that was used in all of the caltrans mobiles and portables-

so if you think its incorrect? ... go read any radio (mts2000, stx, xts3000, xtl2500, xts2500) in district 4 and you will find what i posted is accurate

2B13 WPBH806 9/9/2008 has control freqs of 856.7625 858.7625 859.7625 857.0875

ULS Application - PubSafty/SpecEmer/PubSaftyNtlPlan,806-817/851-862MHz,Trunked - 0003573124 - CALIFORNIA, STATE OF - Frequency Summary
click on frequencies

2B14 WPCQ369 9/9/2008 has 857.9875 858.9875 859.9875 857.1625

ULS Application - PubSafty/SpecEmer/PubSaftyNtlPlan,806-817/851-862MHz,Trunked - 0003573598 - CALIFORNIA, STATE OF - Frequency Summary
click on frequencies

each set of new frequencies added became THE data channel..because somebody goofed and made the new rebanded freq the control channels INSTEAD of the highest of the 4 control freqs

thats from the codeplug - so you can debate that all day - thats whats in their radios -if it's wrong then about 287 radios need to be reprogrammed AGAIN

the north trunker controller itself had to even be reprogrammed because the codeplug had incorrect control freqs-so every 3rd day nobody would be able to use it - so the controller got reprogrammed


in motorola codeplugs you only enter 4 control freqs and thats whats in the codeplugs

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age doesnt mean inaccuracy ?
LOL do you really think that a drawing of chp in 1987 is accurate? when there are versions as little as 1-2 years old?

I can count at least 12 paths missing from the microwave path map that have been put up since that doc was made- not to mention the paths that no longer exist (dot marysville to bald mtn yolo) been taken down almost 2 yrs now thats a small sample

as far as this document - do i need to go page by page and point them out for you > ?

appendix existing freqs and colors -

willows and oroville are are NOT on the teal

stockton is NOT on the pink

dublin is NOT on the khaki

pretty bold statements huh

the scan rates were so small on the future freq maps you cant enlarge them to even see what freqs they are- all it does is pixelate it

another drawing uses incorrect info from the EXISTING drawings to coordinate future 700 freqs

same for other old drawings

old outdated drawings from 20 years ago - look on each drawing and it has the date on it -nothing "bold" about it -


i did NOT post a spreadsheet about chp

- somebody else posted it -

it was an xls sheet that had the freq load that was used in each division and thats what i told people to refer to if they wanted to see the new rptr freqs - each division has them at the bottom of the spreadsheet page for each division



i dont "know" them to be "true"or "false" .. i "read " them and stated obvious and glaring errors about each item



hopefully the corrections and updated drawings will be edited and replace the old and outdated info and it will be an informative and accurate document

if you want the new freqs and pls - as i said - the division xls sheet has everything you need - and its accurate it has the new BLUE1 and BLUE2 for each division and their PLs

and each color with a 2 suffix is the new freq .. ex valley has brown2 gray2 wite2 at the bottom of that excel sheet its what is loaded in each ge ranger


if you have never seen any of these drawings or tables you might think its great and amazing - if you have seen them before .. it would make you ask.. which i did..

why are such old drawings used and such incorrect info disseminated in something ?

trying to get a more accurate doc is what i was aiming for.. with my statements

[wolter]

Originally Posted by avtarsingh

i made inaccurate statements about caltrans ?

the freqs i posted are from the codeplug that was used in all of the caltrans mobiles and portables-

so if you think its incorrect? ... go read any radio (mts2000, stx, xts3000, xtl2500, xts2500) in district 4 and you will find what i posted is accurate

Yes, statements that you said about Caltrans are inaccurate. Being a long-time employee of Caltrans, I have my reliable sources.

This is pointless here, though, and I will not go into it further because this thread is about CHP Enhancements Document.

[avtarsingh]

what i posted above about caltrans is correct ..its possible the data channels were expanded because initially they were not

i never saw any caltrans employees loading these frequencies into the radios probably because caltrans employees dont work on the radios

what you "believe" doesnt change what is programmed into the radios

do you need a copy of the codeplug or something ?

many people work for many different agencies..

only 1 agency actually works on the radios and it isnt caltrans

[wolter]

Originally Posted by avtarsingh

what i posted above about caltrans is correct ..its possible the data channels were expanded because initially they were not

i never saw any caltrans employees loading these frequencies into the radios probably because caltrans employees dont work on the radios

what you "believe" doesnt change what is programmed into the radios

do you need a copy of the codeplug or something ?

many people work for many different agencies..

only 1 agency actually works on the radios and it isnt caltrans

This isn't a Caltrans thread. Want to talk Caltrans? Go to a Caltrans thread. Do not hijack threads. But I will end it by saying that you obviously misunderstood everything I said.

[avtarsingh]

same for you i win

[wayne_h]

Geez Brian, chill out! As a State of CA radio fan I am glad we have avtarsingh on these forums. I am willing to stand behind his information. If you don't want to believe him, don't. If you think his info is bogus, the forums have a fine Ignore function built in to them. So furthermore, I don't want to hear about it again nor do I want to see you telling members what to do; use the report post option if you feel it's that important.

MrAntsy, sorry for the OT. Your post is helpful even if the data is old. Old or new, to outsiders it is still useful.

[wolter]

I find the entire document to be very informative, and I also notice the word "DRAFT" covering the pages.

Where is the ignore button? Other moderators have spoken of it before, but I have never seen in my 7 years of membership.

[gmclam]

Originally Posted by wolter

Where is the ignore button? Other moderators have spoken of it before, but I have never seen in my 7 years of membership.

I guess you don't get out much. If the only thing you do is read/reply in the forums, you'd never find it.

Go here; click on "User Lists". The last selection is "Add to Ignore List". Note you'll need to go to the profile of the person you are ignoring.

[avtarsingh]

hide from the truth and ye shall be set free - tee hee

keep an eye out for gray2 truckee you should be hearing it light up today or the next few days

it has been on and off flickering here and there in the past week or 2

IF its on the air and stays on the air - it will be simulcast until all GRAY sites are complete and installed

i am GUESSING a cutover in the next 2 weeks based on how the mtn top and area office work is going and barring any more equipment problems

GRAY2 45.60 BASE 42.88 MOBILE PL 173.8

[avtarsingh]

oh and my comment about the doc having old and incorrect drawings was a statement about the errors the doc had .... in no way was anything negative aimed at mr antsy

it is helpful info - it just needs some tweaking and it isnt your fault :-)

[gmclam]

Originally Posted by avtarsingh

oh and my comment about the doc having old and incorrect drawings was a statement about the errors the doc had .... in no way was anything negative aimed at mr antsy

it is helpful info - it just needs some tweaking and it isnt your fault :-)

I found the info "helpful" for those that don't understand how the CHP radio system works. I found it "interesting" that the Yuba-Sutter area is on TEAL. LOL, they've been on Brown for a long time.

I heard traffic yesterday on BLUE2, that was nice. I've also been hearing a lot of traffic on GRAY. Nothing on GRAY2 yet. If the change from GRAY to GRAY2 is anything like the change from WHITE to WHITE2 was, I am excited.

One side comment though. I realize part of this change is so that each area has its own BLUE channel (and not all on the same frequency pair statewide). But I do not see any difference if let's say San Joaquin county is using their BLUE2 and Sacramento wants to use it at the same time. Certainly if Golden Gate uses their BLUE2, then it is different than the Sacramento/SJ BLUE2. In other words, it seems like each area should have their own BLUE(2), not just each division.

[avtarsingh]

good question gmclam

it's more about all freqs migrating to 2-3 mhz splits so that everything will be repeated

golden gate is pretty much excluded from the chppers jobs per se.. because there was prior work already setup that involves new simulcast equipment etc and the new freqs will get taken care of in that venue

they do have a blue1 they could use.. sometimes i will even hear valley air units do speed on the purple with coastal pl because of a detail or saccats using the blue

did you also like too gmclam the stockton on pink from that drawing ? lol

and dublin aqua on the khaki ? lol

the excuse was that was planned expansion years ago .. well years ago

i call that doc the AOL of the internet world.. its free but nobody wants it :-p

j/k

if everything goes as planned gray2 should light up and work as planned like the white2 did

if you listen a lot it's really interesting when you hear ppl ID from each mtn top so that you can get an idea on your signal meter what mtn top you are actually hearing -

from where i am .. i hear mt zion really well - mt oso and some of the other southern hills not very well but now when stockton talks and its a crappy signal i know its from mt oso

same thing for gray2 some mtn tops work really well - for sac area some dont and you will get a good idea when the testing starts

[gmclam]

Originally Posted by avtarsingh

did you also like too gmclam the stockton on pink from that drawing ? lol

Uh huh. Plus I don't understand why the map BG color did not match the channel. They used a lot of colors and could have made them match.

if you listen a lot it's really interesting when you hear ppl ID from each mtn top so that you can get an idea on your signal meter what mtn top you are actually hearing -

I like to think I have pretty good reception of the CHP. Even though not 100% quieting, WHITE from Stockton is getting 5 bars on my PSR-300 (another topic). I was happily surprised that WHITE2 had/has more quieting.

[wayne_h]

I still think the audio on White 2 from Oso is a bit hot and over-modulates occasionally.