Dak channel and bulb finding problem

darticus · #1 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 7:03 AM

DAK CHANNEL AND BULB FINDING PROBLEM

Got most of the Dak X problems solved. I do need bulbs to get meters to light and mode lights working but the hard stuff seems done.
Mic is wired and things looking up. It shows good power out 3-4 watts but when my wife is on the other radio She is distorted on this DAK radio and I'm distorted talking back. I took the portable outside and all sounded terrible until my wife decided to fined me on another channel. Everything perfect but wrong channels.
MY wife on the Dak channel 21 and me
on another radio channel 20. Perfect conversation and receive.
My wife on 23 on the DAK and me on 25 perfect.
My wife on 22 I'm on 21 perfect. Whats the deal.
Crystals out of position???? Any thoughts on what is the problem? What to do next? Thanks Ron

gewecke · #2 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 11:41 AM

Somebody's been monkeying around inside it sounds like.

73,
n9zas

n9mxq · #3 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 12:49 PM

Despite N9ZAS's usual high quality helpful post, I'd recommend that you take the radio to a qualified tech. It apparently has more problems than you bargained for and without proper test gear and a service manual you run the risk of doing more harm than good if you try to fix it yourself.

darticus · #4 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 1:19 PM

No tech's in my area. My hobby is trying to fix them. I'll just have to talk and recieve on 21 which is really 20. Ron

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Originally Posted by n9mxq

Despite N9ZAS's usual high quality helpful post, I'd recommend that you take the radio to a qualified tech. It apparently has more problems than you bargained for and without proper test gear and a service manual you run the risk of doing more harm than good if you try to fix it yourself.

n9mxq · #5 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 1:39 PM

See if you can find a copy of the Sams Photofact for that model online.. Might cost a bit, but would be a good place to start. If you could find a true service manual that would be best. You may be able to hash out the proper crystal placement from that info..

I'd be loath to just start moving crystals around willy nilly..

darticus · #6 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 1:55 PM

I did find out no crystals but uses pll's. This stuff is new to me. Can this pll be tuned or is it set? It sounds great but on the wrong number for the channel. Its not just one off because 25 was on 23 and 20 was on 21. So its not just one number off. Ron

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Originally Posted by n9mxq

See if you can find a copy of the Sams Photofact for that model online.. Might cost a bit, but would be a good place to start. If you could find a true service manual that would be best. You may be able to hash out the proper crystal placement from that info..

I'd be loath to just start moving crystals around willy nilly..

QwKiE · #7 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 2:41 PM

Qwners manual and service manual and mods that can be done to Dak 10.

dak X Service Manual

gewecke · #8 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n9mxq

Despite N9ZAS's usual high quality helpful post, I'd recommend that you take the radio to a qualified tech. It apparently has more problems than you bargained for and without proper test gear and a service manual you run the risk of doing more harm than good if you try to fix it yourself.

I would agree with this, since that radio is more than likely phase lock loop (PLL) and I suspect somebody's been playing with that IC trying to make it go elsewhere.
I personally would not have bought it, but after all that is your hobby.

73,
n9zas

n9mxq · #9 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by QwKiE

Qwners manual and service manual and mods that can be done to Dak 10.

dak X Service Manual

10 points for QwKiE..

darticus · #10 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 5:34 PM

Found out the clarifier is unlocked. I don't know for sure what this means but I can now correct the channels that are incorrectly coming on with the wrong number. Also the clarifier knob seems to pull out and does even more clarifying. Maybe this knob is broke. It would be nice to see if this knob is a mod. The manual doesn't mention it pulling out. Ron

n9mxq · #11 (**permalink**) 09-29-2012, 10:01 PM

Unlocking the clarifier makes it more like a vfo. You can go "between" channels. I'd recommend keeping a frequency counter handy to verify where you are transmitting.

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darticus · #12 (**permalink**) 09-30-2012, 5:44 AM

Do you know why they would unlock the clarifier? Did it help them to do something? Thanks Ron

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Originally Posted by n9mxq

Unlocking the clarifier makes it more like a vfo. You can go "between" channels. I'd recommend keeping a frequency counter handy to verify where you are transmitting.

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gewecke · #13 (**permalink**) 09-30-2012, 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by darticus

Do you know why they would unlock the clarifier? Did it help them to do something? Thanks Ron

Yep, it helped them make a perfectly legal cb into a illegal cb, that's about it.

73,
n9zas

darticus · #14 (**permalink**) 09-30-2012, 7:36 AM

Is it easy to put back to original? Ron

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Originally Posted by gewecke

Yep, it helped them make a perfectly legal cb into a illegal cb, that's about it.

73,
n9zas

QwKiE · #15 (**permalink**) 09-30-2012, 8:22 AM

I can say this I do remember when I was a cb person you could open a cb and drop a dime inside and wow you were on different chanels. Get some wires and a switch, and useing a frequency counter you knew where you were at, it was illegal but so many were doing it. I do remember talking to Austrailia you could hear a pin drop and was as clear as a bell no extra power was even needed. I had an SBD formula D had 5 switches on it and there were 3 position switches gives you an idea just how many chanels you could get. Like Gene said get a frequency counter find out if they are useing anything for a switch then if you want you can elimate buy clipping the wires out. I had a DAK 9 but I never played with it the radio was so cool looking at the time.

QwKiE · #16 (**permalink**) 09-30-2012, 8:45 AM

Sorry that was an SBE formula D that we had made so many chanels in that radio need to type slower.

JayMojave · #17 (**permalink**) 09-30-2012, 12:17 PM

Hello All:

Unlocking the Clarifier is a good call, as many radios are manufactured theres always a few a litttle off frequence. Expecting all the radios to be dead nutz on frequency is technical Boobiery.'

With newr radios and such, a lot guys run amature rigs, most everyone is on frequency, a unlocked clarifier is nice to have to tune in those stations that are off frequency a little.

Jay in the Mojave

darticus · #18 (**permalink**) 09-30-2012, 12:22 PM

Thanks, It sounds like a good thing to keep. Ron

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayMojave

Hello All:

Unlocking the Clarifier is a good call, as many radios are manufactured theres always a few a litttle off frequence. Expecting all the radios to be dead nutz on frequency is technical Boobiery.'

With newr radios and such, a lot guys run amature rigs, most everyone is on frequency, a unlocked clarifier is nice to have to tune in those stations that are off frequency a little.

Jay in the Mojave

k3cfc · #19 (**permalink**) 10-04-2012, 9:22 PM

When you unlock a clarifier it makes the transmitter track with the receiver. it hould be put back the way it was. oh BTW if you get something that has been messed with with do't ask here for help because all you will get for the most part is idiot answers. and also a lafayette telstat ssb 140 has the same motherboard as the mark x. the only difference is a two tube transmitter.

Good luck with your radio.

k3cfc · #20 (**permalink**) 10-04-2012, 9:22 PM

When you unlock a clarifier it makes the transmitter track with the receiver. it should be put back the way it was. oh BTW if you get something that has been messed with with don't ask here for help because all you will get for the most part is idiot answers. and also a lafayette telstat ssb 140 has the same motherboard as the mark x. the only difference is a two tube transmitter.

Good luck with your radio.