More Encryption

n0nhj · #1 (**permalink**) 09-17-2009, 11:46 PM

Appears that San Miguel County SO has started using encryption on it's main dispatch channel now. Passing through today, dispatcher was in the clear, field units were encrypted.

jimmnn · #2 (**permalink**) 09-18-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by n0nhj

Appears that San Miguel County SO has started using encryption on it's main dispatch channel now. Passing through today, dispatcher was in the clear, field units were encrypted.

Lots of corruption to hide in Telluride I guess.

Jim<

poltergeisty · #3 (**permalink**) 09-18-2009, 06:01 AM

Well at least dispatch isn't encrypted. Unless they're testing to make sure all is good before making that enc. too. Then it could be they simply ran out of money. Which brings me to another point. with the shty economy, how the hell can a department afford this? I guess Telluride has more funds or excess funds they had to spend???

Wow! The 2000 census shows the population at a little over 2200!? Are you kidding me!!!
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scanlist · #4 (**permalink**) 09-18-2009, 08:09 AM

ADP encryption is cheap like a $10 $15 flash per radio as mentioned in various discussion here in the past so what's an extra grand or two to hide everything from the populace and the "Damn Media".

With this pattern of new agencies jumping onboard the DTRS bandwagon with ADP I'm wondering if those super anxious for Longmont to ditch VHF could potentially be faced with a major disappointment.

The Greeley Trib mentioned recently that part of the federal stimulus money for Greeley will be used for new radios. Considering 3 of the 7 PD groups have encryption on demand already and their portables are ADP capable one might wonder.

"Interesting Times" are here.

lostguy · #5 (**permalink**) 09-18-2009, 02:26 PM

I was told that here in Canon City that the radios came with that lovely feature for basically nothing..talk about almost nothing to listen too.

n0nhp · #6 (**permalink**) 09-18-2009, 04:13 PM

Montrose PD is using encryption too. Dispatch as well as mobiles.
I guess that the listening public is too dangerous.

Bruce

04Z1V6 · #7 (**permalink**) 09-18-2009, 11:29 PM

TG 1868 Lone Tree PD channel one seems to be also. I had it programmed on my feed radio and it sounded encrypted. I had to lock it out.

datainmotion · #8 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by n0nhp

Montrose PD is using encryption too. Dispatch as well as mobiles.
I guess that the listening public is too dangerous.

Bruce

According to the Montrose PD radio tech - the Drug Task Force was tired of finding P25 capable scanners in houses they raided. So the logical step for them, was to encrypt everything.

04Z1V6 · #9 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 11:30 AM

As much as like to listen to special groups like the drug task forces I understand if they go encrypted.

datainmotion · #10 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 08:50 PM

Me as well - no arguement there. Its when dispatch gets encrypted for no demonstrably good reason that I have an issue with it.

dracer777 · #11 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 09:03 PM

Same here, in greeley, i liked the system they had, all(most) tactical(covert ops and sting ops) were encrypted. Car-to-car, dispatch, and clearance were clear. <-----encryption like it should be used.

ColoradoRedlands · #12 (**permalink**) 09-20-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by datainmotion

According to the Montrose PD radio tech - the Drug Task Force was tired of finding P25 capable scanners in houses they raided. So the logical step for them, was to encrypt everything.

Im not sure what that has to do with it, the DTF has an encrypted TG of their own since they have been on DTRS. Having the PD and the SO patrol operation being encrypted would have very little affect on what the DTF does.

But worse; why-oh-why does any Fire Dept need to be encrypted at all, as in Garfield Co.

poltergeisty · #13 (**permalink**) 09-20-2009, 07:38 AM

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But worse; why-oh-why does any Fire Dept need to be encrypted at all, as in Garfield Co.

The, literal 50,000.00 dollar question! If not more $$$$.

Mind blowing!

Unless they go with ADP of course...

scanlist · #14 (**permalink**) 09-20-2009, 08:45 AM

One way to look at it ADP costs way less than DES or an EDACS Pro-voice system.

ADP does go against the general P25 concept as in not being an open encryption standard (proprietary).

Someone posted awhile back that Greenwood Village intends to go full ADP in the future.

Also more motoTRBO conventional is showing up in this area for business radio. The only public safety agency using TRBO so far is the Weld County Jail.

superfreak · #15 (**permalink**) 09-20-2009, 09:47 AM

Motorola made a brilliant sales move..

Sell everyone on ADP.. Charge $10 so they can't refuse..

Then they are forever locked into buying Motorola radios... No Tait/EFJ/Harris radios ever. ADP is Motorola''s property.

Add on to it that most state agencies DON'T have ADP capable radios, DOW/CSP/CDOT so no state agencies can talk directly to an ADP agency easily..

Forget about scanners, for those reasons alone ADP should be banned.

poltergeisty · #16 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 09:33 AM

So the way it looks the next interoperability issue will be with encryption.

APCO?

dracer777 · #17 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 03:19 PM

Wirelessly posted (MOT-QA30/00.72 UP.Browser/7.2.7.5.610 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

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Originally Posted by poltergeisty

So the way it looks the next interoperability issue will be with encryption.

APCO?

Hahaha! Never thought about that, hopefully, we will have a large fire and mutual aid is requested from a fully encrypted FD. Either that would result in the state making encryption mandatory for every DTRS radio or getting rid of unneeded encryption, hopefully the latter.

jimmnn · #18 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 03:37 PM

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Wirelessly posted (MOT-QA30/00.72 UP.Browser/7.2.7.5.610 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

Hahaha! Never thought about that, hopefully, we will have a large fire and mutual aid is requested from a fully encrypted FD. Either that would result in the state making encryption mandatory for every DTRS radio or getting rid of unneeded encryption, hopefully the latter.

At least Garco has addressed that with one un encrypted mac channel and all the units have access to other mac's for out of county mutual aid.

Jim<

Kevin_N · #19 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 06:03 PM

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N_Jay · #20 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 06:17 PM

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