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Old 01-27-2012, 4:05 AM
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Default Philadelphia, PA - Temple University police fault radio in clash with teen

NORTH PHILADELPHIA, Pa. - January 26, 2012 (WPVI) -- The disturbing video surfaced on the web yesterday only hours after the incident.

Temple University police fault radio in clash with teen | 6abc.com
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Really? I put the fault on the teen.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:09 AM
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Deleted one off topic post. Please keep the discussions in this thread about the radio system and the possible issues it had. If you wish to discuss the incident itself, please take it to The Tavern.

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Never did say how they finally got the radio message requesting back up. Digital radio...if it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. NO IN BETWEEN. The Headline for news story kinda leads you believe it was the radios fault for the clash with the teen.
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Does anyone know what type of digital system is in use by Temple University?

I went into the RR Philly DB and can not seem to find them listed.
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Old 01-27-2012, 7:13 PM
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Old 01-27-2012, 7:31 PM
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PS Either did I, it took a search.
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Old 01-27-2012, 7:34 PM
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Misleading is right, the message went through so the system obviously worked. The real complaint, the two minute response time got barely a mention.
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Misleading is right, the message went through so the system obviously worked. The real complaint, the two minute response time got barely a mention.
Watched the video, read the articles. Cops did the right thing. Seems like the system did in fact work, but some of the TU Police need to take a spinning class to hustle it up on those bikes.

And in case anyone didn't get to see the video...rest easy, the cliche Rodney King remark was in fact chanted by the crowd. ::sarcasm/rolls eyes::
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Temple PD uses Mototurbo with privacy enabled--i.e., encryption.
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After the message went through the system, a two minute response time on bikes seems pretty decent. BUT if the cops say there is trouble with the system, I have to believe them.
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Maybe the University just did not have the portable infrastructure built out to enable the PD to do their job correctly.

If they did not want to shell out the extra $$ for another repeater during the construction who's fault is that.
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the concerns I have regarding the use of budget based LMR systems like MotoTRBO and NexEDGE is they aren't specifically designed for public safety.

Officers do not need fancy toys, they need radios that WORK. Like a firearm, a portable radio is something you don't want to work 99 percent of the time- the 1 percent of the time it doesn't maybe the last time you use it.

I'd like to see the logs from the system. Does MotoTRBO offer this level of accounting? This is where the men are separated from the boys. Astro 25 and P25 systems do, and when stuff goes wrong, it's vital to be able to point to specific numbers of affiliation attempts, failed channel grants (including dates/times/site locations), channel loading, emergency call activations, etc.

Would love to hear the system managers' side and the reports to go with it.
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the concerns I have regarding the use of budget based LMR systems like MotoTRBO and NexEDGE is they aren't specifically designed for public safety.

Officers do not need fancy toys, they need radios that WORK. Like a firearm, a portable radio is something you don't want to work 99 percent of the time- the 1 percent of the time it doesn't maybe the last time you use it.

I'd like to see the logs from the system. Does MotoTRBO offer this level of accounting? This is where the men are separated from the boys. Astro 25 and P25 systems do, and when stuff goes wrong, it's vital to be able to point to specific numbers of affiliation attempts, failed channel grants (including dates/times/site locations), channel loading, emergency call activations, etc.

Would love to hear the system managers' side and the reports to go with it.
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MTS, yes, you can buy software that specifically monitors system processing and errors.

If you read up on TRBO you will discover that there are issues with handheld's GPS feature, expecailly if the sat signal is obscured by buildings or other interference. The GPS feature is handy but can be sketchy on the HH's, depending on the situtaion.

Pair that with the fact that they are only using a single repeater site to cover everything, and you are not going to get 100 percent portable coverage. If TUP added additional repeater links and connected them over the IP network, they would have better results.
TRBO has serious potential, and I used to think it could not be PS grade... my opinion has since changed, but if the org is not willing to build out the system to accomodate it's technology... well, then you get what you paid for, or lack of.
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Thank you, i did not think of looking under the business listings, duh!
I moved it under the county's main page now. Although they may be private entities, they really belong on the main page.
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I moved it under the county's main page now. Although they may be private entities, they really belong on the main page.
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Never did say how they finally got the radio message requesting back up. Digital radio...if it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. NO IN BETWEEN. The Headline for news story kinda leads you believe it was the radios fault for the clash with the teen.
Ya digital is crap and police,EMS,etc SHOULD NOT USE ANYTHING BUT ANALOGUE!!
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Ya digital is crap and police,EMS,etc SHOULD NOT USE ANYTHING BUT ANALOGUE!!
Now, I personally do not agree with this statement. They just have to design the sysytem correctly and be willing to invent the right ammount of money into it. Digital offers alot that analog can not.. it all depends on the system...
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