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Old 07-15-2014, 10:16 PM
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Take a look here to read some of the interesting story yourself. I know this thread started with this link, but it needs to get read by everyone. Pass it along to get the word out to everyone. It's our tax money and the federal government that has allowed this to happen.

WASHINGTON: Millions in federal emergency communications funding lost, diverted | Motorola radios | McClatchy DC
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Old 07-15-2014, 10:29 PM
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The story says Mother M has "proprietary" features in their broadband handsets... so how is this whole FirstNet thing supposed to work again??
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The story says Mother M has "proprietary" features in their broadband handsets... so how is this whole FirstNet thing supposed to work again??
Easy, Mother M's attitude is that as long as you buy only Motorola gear, only Motorola accessories, only Motorola t-shirts and only drink the Motorola Kool-Aid, everything is interoperable…..
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Old 07-16-2014, 1:05 AM
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Interoperability is at the mercy of the commanders on scene. If they don't want to use it, it will never happen. Bottom line is we can provide the equipment and technology, but if the management don't want it, your never going to change their mind.

So much for inter agency interoperability. Same thing goes for trying to get the different vendors to play in the same sandbox. Mother M will go out of their way to put road blocks in the way to allow other vendors to play well on their radio systems. They spend months playing with the radio firmware to exclude other vendor radios from interfacing smoothly on their trunking systems. They have spent years fighting the P25 open standards from being truly open to allow other vendor radios to play together.

What else would you expect from the largest vendor in the country?
Totally correct. It all comes back to the feet on the ground. If they don't use the equipment, the equipment will never work.
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Totally correct. It all comes back to the feet on the ground. If they don't use the equipment, the equipment will never work.

And sometimes the equipment doesn't work all by itself(radio failures,a system thats setup wrong and lacks range,and dont forget dead spots)
If it was done right the first time,it would still be working.....
Explain how some towns are fine with VHF Highband and SPEN?in analog.
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"Lawmakers request DHS investigation into Motorola Anticompetitive Allegations"

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Old 07-17-2014, 4:23 PM
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For $6000.00 you can buy several ANALOG NAROW BAND portables that communicate just fine.. With One or Two NATIONAL interop channels in each band, Oh Ya, their called ICALL, VCALL, 8CALL and UCALL channels already, You can have everybody talking and doing their mission TOGETHER.. Heck, Throw in an ACU 1000 gateway with GOOD radios and you can have the world communicating together for the price of several 6K Portables...
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Old 07-17-2014, 4:42 PM
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It's amazing but sad that there is no more accountability in government today. It must be nice to tax people and" blow the money" out the window and have no remorse what so ever.
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Old 07-18-2014, 5:58 PM
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It's amazing but sad that there is no more accountability in government today. It must be nice to tax people and" blow the money" out the window and have no remorse what so ever.
Welcome to 21st-century government. And that's EXACTLY how it works.
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But this would take all the wind out of the sails of the Race to Waste profiteers. Using their stooges with corporate media, they promulgate misinformation and demonstrate to the unknowing public that there is a "crisis" in desperate need of a "solution".

Of course no one wants to be the one denying "the boys in blue the tools they need to do their jobs" and DARE ask, why are we buying "$6000 walkie talkies" and costly infrastructure in places where it clearly is not needed?

It's all part of the massive scam that is our bought and paid for corrupt Federal government, in the back pockets of those contractors' who solely exist to drain the taxpayers even more and further increase our debt.

I am surprised Mclatchy has the gonads to go after "Solutions" the way they are.

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had occasion to see/use one of "them there" fancy Starcomm 12 radios in Illinois.
To me it looked like and used like a fancy oversized Cell Phone and I HAD TO WAIT for a system acknowledgement in order to transmit.
As to the waste of money on this 6000 brick, I offer this...

The area I was in is already covered byPRESENT EXISTING CHANNELS)

ISPERN
IREACH
ESMARN
POINT TO POINT
NIFERN
All 8 firegrounds (simplex on scene with prospective base station coverage)
UHF ISPERN (both of them)
COOK COUNTY "old" VHF Repeater system (all FOUR FREQS)

In my opinion this new "super duper secret encrypted" radio is a waste of money and as was proven when the ISP 800 Meg system went on line,an IMMEDIATE risk to Officer Safety.
The "need" to encrypt ect is nothing more than Government Paranoia as proper dispatching protocol will stop any "critical" comm from being xmitted over the air. It wastes money,degrades signal output power and in some cases simply doesnt work. What this IS here is a mad dash to spend money allotted to
PSR COMM.The same holds true for the venerable "narrow banding" which in my opinion was nothing more that Motorola clawing at the pot of gold and lobbying to make that happen. Too many times,Chicago has already lamented the narrrow band in that it DOESNT WORK like the "old" system does. It boils down to a viable method of frequency management mutual aid and alternate secondary frequencies. Oddly enough,outside the ring of death (Cook County/Chicago) there are plenty of "old" systems that work more than adequately and have since the '70s. While its always nice to hear a Southern Illinois patrolman talk about "the nifty walkie talkie that goes 300 miles" those of us that are in the know about it know differently.ON PAPER this all was a great idea and theory.However its a totally different story when you have an offender face down at gun point and have to walk circles around him to get a system acknowledgement tone. (know THAT first hand) I was and will always be against this new "statewide" system since what we already have in place is far more that adequate.Bottom line is this was a stampede by major radio manufacturers and their lobbyists to death grip the pot of Federal Gold.
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The Funds went to those Terrorist Countries that Hate Us.
Remember the 470 to 512 band where that is going. Jobs law. To put more of a Spin on the USA
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So what does this mean for the folks who monitor SF public safety? Does this mean that SF will continue with their 800MHz TRS? Will they abandon the 700MHz TRS? If they're not going to use the 700MHz TRS, they might as well turn it off...
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had occasion to see/use one of "them there" fancy Starcomm 12 radios in Illinois.
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While there where any number of reasons to go to a new system, Starcomm was/is probably not the right answer.

BTU Cortchubby, I had been meaning to ask, what exactly is "contract law enforcement" in the Chicago area?
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