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Old 02-24-2008, 10:29 AM
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EMERGENCY RESPONSE: Erie County pulls out of state wireless network
By Daniel Pye/pyed@gnnewspaper.com
The Tonawanda News


BUFFALO — After years of waiting and substantial investment, Erie County has pulled out of a deal to be part of the planned statewide wireless network.

The county pulled the plug after getting several negative reviews of the system’s performance from area first responders after tests last fall, said Legislator Timothy Kennedy, D-Buffalo.

“The entire public safety community was against our inclusion,” Kennedy said. “The Sheriff’s Department, Central Police Services, Buffalo police, Buffalo Fire Department and Erie County Fire Advisory Board are all now moving in their own directions.”

But the New York State Office of Technology, which is undertaking the project, tells a different story. Karl Felsen, a spokesman for the state office, said the Erie County agencies are making the decision to give up on the system based on an early test conducted before essential components of the system were in place.

“The system isn’t operational anywhere,” Felsen said. “It’s still being built. The last transmission point was just finished a few weeks ago and a series of tests is going on now.”

The system’s completion will come for Erie County. Only 60 percent coverage of the area during those fall tests sealed the deal for police, fire and paramedic agencies that wanted the system sooner and have grown tired of waiting.

“With the cost, ineffectiveness and time spent, they’ve had it and they’re moving on,” Kennedy said.

Free lease?

The agreement was negotiated in April 2005 and gave the NYSOT 3,000 square feet of office space in the Central Police Services building for five years with no rent. That apparent free ride resulted in a resolution passed by the Legislature two weeks ago to get that contract re-examined. But the free space wasn’t really free, since the NYSOT paid $2 million to upgrade the CPS building and its contractor, M/A Com, paid $500,000 more to do the same, Felsen said.

M/A Com spokesman Steve Greenberg said he couldn’t comment in detail on the story, but agreed with NYSOT’s cost figures for the improvements.

County Executive Chris Collins’ office has looked at the agreement and sees the current deal as a win-win, with a small amount of space being given up for the capabilities offered by the statewide wireless network for big emergencies, said Communications Director Grant Loomis.

Mounting costs

A $3 billion dollar figure has been circulated for the statewide cost of the system if it were to be implemented in the entire state after tests are completed. That worries those like Kennedy who see failed tests as a harbinger of more problems to come, but if M/A Com hasn’t delivered to the high standards put forth in the contract the state isn’t obligated to pay. Moreover, the state will be in store for a pretty big pay day if the system isn’t up to snuff, Felsen said.

“If the state doesn’t feel that M/A Com has delivered on the contract, we can take $100 million from the contractor,” Felsen said. “That money is at our disposal to seize and it’s up the contractor to sue if they want to get back a portion. The burden of proof will be on them.”

In addition, the $36 million cost estimate that had everyone up in arms is the estimate for the price of the build out and maintenance of the entire system in Erie County for 20 years. When figuring out how costly another system would be to install and maintain at this point, that long-term maintenance is an important concern, Felsen said.

“If they build their own system, how many hundreds of thousands of dollars would the spend each year to maintain it?” Felsen asked. “People usually don’t factor that in when comparing costs.”

Where to go from here

The cost of revamping each department’s communications systems isn’t clear and may never be fully known since the county may not be involved in the process for some of the groups. What is clear is the consistent move from older analog systems to digital, which is supported by the state network. But agencies will be doing that upgrading now on their own terms, Kennedy said.

“They’re using antiquated equipment and can’t wait forever,” Kennedy said.

After scaling back its participation in January, the county is now a gateway partner, giving its agencies access to the state network only in large-scale emergency situations.

But getting even that level of service will make some upgrades necessary. That level of change is difficult and may be part of the reason for the negative reactions, Felsen said.

“People are comfortable with things they know and already have,” Felsen said. “We’re not talking about radios anymore. Now we’re talking about computers with antennas, and that’s jarring to some people.”

Jarring or not, change is coming with FCC regulations on the way that will make analog systems obsolete.

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Much has been written, but not all of it accurate, about the Statewide Wireless Network (Fred Lebrun column, "Reliability of $2.1B statewide communications system in doubt," Feb. 10). Will it work? Absolutely. Based on standard technology, it works everywhere else, including a neighboring state, Pennsylvania. It will work in New York.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:22 PM
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Notice who wrote the article...
Sounds like a SERIOUS case of CYA!!
There is NO QUESTION this guy is trying to paint a rosy picture of a project that is rapidly becomming a HUGE debacle. What he fails to point out is that it was not just legislators protesting, but the PEOPLE WHO WILL USE THE SYSTEM. Sure "it takes time to iron out all the kinks", but at some point you got say "enough is enough". M/A Com is trying to save face in order to keep themselves from GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.
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They better hope it works in NY or else it's sianara M/A Comm Open Sky. $100 million payday to NY is a huge chunk of money.

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When they were GE, I used to say "any company that makes ovens, air conditioners and refridgerators, should not make radios". Now it's even better "any company that makes toys, should not make radios!!!". While some of their stuff was good, like the Master series and Powercall sirens, they have make junk ever since. Just my 2 cents.
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If the system hasnt been 'opened' yet then what judgements can they base their arguements against the system with coverage issues in mind?

If the system is still in testing/installing phase then surely holes and gaps are just an expected element of this phase?

Most offen than not it's the implementation thats at fault rather than the technology. Obviously theres other issues but it bugs me when people say "this technology is crap" when its often not the technology thats at fault.
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It works everywhere else, including a neighboring state, Pennsylvania. Maybe he should start looking at this web site to see how well it is working EVERYWHERE ELSE and especially PENNSYLVANIA.
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PA eventually worked.. Took more sites, more time and especially more money than M/A Com bid it at...New York will work, given sites, money and time. 311 millon is what PA claims they are at (almost double of the original bid). Its a slllllooooooowwww process.

New York is outsourcing everything. Install, acceptance and maintenance.. ALOT more money than some other states. 2 billon was the bid

Colorado has 158 sites with about 200 at build out. Done for a lot less money. (Doesn't matter that it is a p25 system) at a cost of about 150 millon. 28,000+ users

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