Newtown school shooting 12-14-12

[brndnstffrd]

I that no one on here was posting info pretending to be an official sourse, but in the press conference that just happened, LT Paul Vance stated that CSP and Federal authorities will be looking into social media sires, and people impersonating officials and stating false information. Even though no one here was doing that, i feel that it would be better to just avoid any trouble whatsoever and delete all posts relating to the event while in progress. Im not an administrator, and have no authority on this website whatsoever, im simply stating that people, including myself, should at least consider voluntarily deleting those posts.

I also just noticed that we may not be able to delete our posts, so maybe an admin would consider just deleting this whole thread and a new one could be started for people to post their condolences in.

[firerick100]

Originally Posted by brndnstffrd

I that no one on here was posting info pretending to be an official sourse, but in the press conference that just happened, LT Paul Vance stated that CSP and Federal authorities will be looking into social media sires, and people impersonating officials and stating false information. Even though no one here was doing that, i feel that it would be better to just avoid any trouble whatsoever and delete all posts relating to the event while in progress. Im not an administrator, and have no authority on this website whatsoever, im simply stating that people, including myself, should at least consider voluntarily deleting those posts.

I also just noticed that we may not be able to delete our posts, so maybe an admin would consider just deleting this whole thread and a new one could be started for people to post their condolences in.

i am in favor of that-

[Coasterscanner]

Originally Posted by firerick100

i am in favor of that-

I am aswell in favor of it, but ONLY if they even go after the media.

[Coasterscanner]

Social media users spreading false information about Sandy Hook massacre could face charges, say police - NY Daily News

[brndnstffrd]

Originally Posted by Coasterscanner

Social media users spreading false information about Sandy Hook massacre could face charges, say police - NY Daily News

Thanks for posting a real link stateing what i was saying. I know that no one here was doing any of that in the thread, but i think it would be better for everyone to just delete all this, just to avoid a problem before it even happens.

If others dont wish for this whole thread to be deleted, could a mod or admin please delete my posts from this thread?

[newsnick175]

Human society is flawed! We all know that. The answer to our problems are not simple. We tried Prohabition that didn't work. We insituted Social Security and that's in serious trouble. Abortion is a hot topic with both sides at each other's throats. And on and on. We still, as the President said, have to try something. What we have is not working.

We are going to have to stop moaning about what doesn't work right and take some action. Let's change some things and see how it works. If you don't like assault rifles, work with your congressmen to change the law. If you don't like the news media's coverage of events, write letters to the editors and turn off your media outlet.

This democracy requires the participation of it's citizens if its going to work. Don't give it up to the extreamists at both ends of the political spectrum. Take a lesson from the people of Sandy Hook, and the folks slamed by Sandy and come together for the good of all!

And just to keep on topic: does the Danbury PD use 460.55?

[Confuzzled]

The last few posts are proof that people should read a bit further before panicking.

[Git-R-Done]

It was a sad tragic day my family prayers to the lost love one families.

[Monaco]

I'm surprised people here are advocating deletion of any material. It kind of goes against what the scanning hobby is all about, transparency, education, and our freedom to stream and record it.

[kiwasabi]

Originally Posted by Monaco

I'm surprised people here are advocating deletion of any material. It kind of goes against what the scanning hobby is all about, transparency, education, and our freedom to stream and record it.

Yes, this is sort of scary. The whole reason I joined this site and got a paid subscription was to get archives of the Aurora shooting (I live right by there). It is important to keep these scanners transparent and available to us all so that we can make sure true justice is achieved. There are many inconsistencies in this event (and the Aurora event) with the official story, and many things don't add up.


[Moderator Note: lets leave the conspiracy theories to the Tavern; they don't belong here]

[GumbyCT]

I found this here >
How Should Media Cover Mass Murder? | yourpublicmedia.org

How Should Media Cover Mass Murder?



Watching the coverage of Newtown unfold on Friday, I grew upset by the number of wrong reports.
The shooter was misidentified. His mother's connection to the school was wrongly portrayed. There were reports of an altercation between the shooter and school officials the day before. There was incorrect information about the guns he used and the method by which he entered the school. I could go on.

It seems to me, we're going too fast. And we've entered an age when Twitter reports from amateurs are scrambled up with the work of professional journalists and where semi-professional journalists retweet bad information in an ostensible effort to "crowdsource" it for truth.

This is in lieu of actually finding out for sure what's happening. There're more to say about the press coverage. Is there just too much of it? Should children on the scene have been interviewed? We'll address these questions today with NPR's Andy Carvin and Bruce Shapiro from the Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma.

You can join the conversation, e-mail us colin@wnpr.org or Tweet us @wnprcolin.

I found it here >
How Should Media Cover Mass Murder? | yourpublicmedia.org

I used to listen to Colin (and like him) when he was on WTIC (Bruce & Colin) - a local radio station. Still like him just haven't heard him in a long time - now I know where he is, I think. I hope Bruce is also doing well.

I think Colin also has a column in the Hartford Courant.

As mentioned in an earlier post - I'll wait for Lt Paul Vance.
http://www.ct.gov/despp/site/default.asp

[newsnick175]

Never believe the first things you hear in the media! Given time, like when the cops have a press briefing, the media will be a good scource of information. It is the rush to be first that trips up the early reports. Breaking news has a "fog of war" factor that makes it almost impossible to get it right, right away. Some times the media will get it the first time, but that's usually when it's first hand info. So do yourself a favor and give the media a break. It's better than having the government hand out the "news".

[GumbyCT]

Originally Posted by newsnick175

Never believe the first things you hear in the media! Given time, like when the cops have a press briefing, the media will be a good scource of information. It is the rush to be first that trips up the early reports. Breaking news has a "fog of war" factor that makes it almost impossible to get it right, right away. Some times the media will get it the first time, but that's usually when it's first hand info. So do yourself a favor and give the media a break. It's better than having the government hand out the "news".

That is zactly the point. Early reports are so often inaccurate.

Heard on another radio show where a caller said what always happens in cases like this (where politicos holler for more gun control) is the rush to take away rights from people who had nothing to do with the crime.

Now this is not intended to take anything away from the many people impacted by this terrible crime, only to say, once again that laws won't stop every crime every time.

I am not one to make assumptions - In fact, I'm not sure any laws were broken until the commission of this unspeakable tragedy.

Stay strong Newtown. It is just impossible to turn off your brain and forget this happened. Stay strong Newtown.

[kiwasabi]

I posted where it was most relevant. Please restore my posts. I was just expressing my opinion. Is free speech against your forum's policy?

[burner50]

Originally Posted by kiwasabi

I posted where it was most relevant. Please restore my posts. I was just expressing my opinion. Is free speech against your forum's policy?

I have reviewed your posts, and they do not fit the topic of this forum. They will not be restored.

As far as "free speech", you are accessing privately owned servers.

Keep it on topic guys.

[kiwasabi]

Originally Posted by burner50

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Keep it on topic guys.

Will do.

So what about those two people in the ski masks in the purple van? Could they have been part of the crime and gotten away? The media are saying the police found a rifle in the school. Was that ever mentioned on the scanner?

[JoeyC]

Originally Posted by kiwasabi

So what about those two people in the ski masks in the purple van?

Determined in the investigation (if they even existed at all) to be irrelevant to the situation.

Originally Posted by kiwasabi

Could they have been part of the crime and gotten away?

If you are determined to make the situation into something it isn't, then yes. But if you believe in common sense and follow the facts of the case, then no.

Originally Posted by kiwasabi

The media are saying the police found a rifle in the school. Was that ever mentioned on the scanner?

In the heat of the moment when trying to stop an active shooter in an occupied elementary school and rescue people they did not know what the weaponry involved was. Just because you did or didn't hear something over a scanner at the time does not make a case.

[kiwasabi]

kiwasabi
"So what about those two people in the ski masks in the purple van?"
JoeyC
"Determined in the investigation (if they even existed at all) to be irrelevant to the situation."

Do you know that for a fact?

kiwasabi
"Could they have been part of the crime and gotten away?"
JoeyC
"If you are determined to make the situation into something it isn't, then yes. But if you believe in common sense and follow the facts of the case, then no."

Not trying to come across the wrong way here, but wouldn't you agree that it's common sense to ask questions about facts that don't add up? It sounds like you're implying it's common sense to make assumptions that support the official account.


kiwasabi
"The media are saying the police found a rifle in the school. Was that ever mentioned on the scanner?"
JoeyC
"In the heat of the moment when trying to stop an active shooter in an occupied elementary school and rescue people they did not know what the weaponry involved was. Just because you did or didn't hear something over a scanner at the time does not make a case."

Again, just asking a question here. I wasn't using this as the basis for anything. No need for hostility.

[firerick100]

well its been 1 week today that this tragedy occured and myself and another member from this forum heard it from dispatch and on.i drove through last saturday to drop off a teddy bear and then i went back thursday (yesterday) to see the memeorial at the entrance to the school and in the center of town,i am amazed by the amount of flowers and teddy bear and signs,ti made me feel good that people from all over the country care about us in connecticut ,the people of newtown and the children,i listened to the moment of silence today at 930 and it brought back memories of what i heared on the scanner last week,as the cops were responding,all these people were being shot.this christmas is going to suck for i think mostly everyone in ct and in the country.the fundraisers are bringing in a lot of money to help and i did my share and are asking everyone on here to please donate if they can which i think everyone will, iwish everyone a merry christmas and happy new year even though it will be very hard.

[guitarmonster]

I have listened to the scanner and have listened to the media and they have major discrepancies. I thought the Connecticut State Police threatened arrest to anyone spreading disinformation, so we have media outlets releasing information contrary to what was heard on the scanner, should they be arresting them now? I have heard different versions of what happened. I have heard that the shotgun and rifle we're found together, and I have heard they we're separate. I have heard that the shooter was found with 2 handguns, I have heard that he was found with 2 handguns and an assault rifle. These two other suspects in question do in fact exist, this is proven by the helicopter footage of the police laying a man out, or in their words "proned out", and another video of a child testifying to the police arresting someone on the street near the church, not to mention anther video of a man testifying about someone arrested with camo pants saying "it wasn't me". The scanner audio is being listened and transcribed by experts complete with timestamps as we speak. The best way for anyone to get a true opinion on what happened here is to look at the scanner audio, the 911 call, the eyewitness testimony. Please everyone, stop just listening to the media, don't be sheep, be leaders. This country will begin to get better when people start making up their own minds themselves. We need to find out the truth for ourselves, not wait for someone to vomit the truth out. I'm sorry but I just don't think this was one shooter by himself. I'm not saying that the police are lying, but when something like this happens and you are the law enforcement who arrives, your gonna want to wrap this thing up clean. The last thing you want to do is stand up on the mic to tell people that "they got away." I'm not saying the police are lying to cover their backs, i'm just saying I think there is some wishful thinking here.