Attn! Admins! P25 Phase II Database Issue!

[gr8rcall]

Sirs,
I noticed that in the database, on Trunking system pages that use Phase II TDMA modulation, it still indicates that that type of modulation Is not monitorable by ANY SCANNER!

Can you change that to indicate that the PSR-800 can monitor those systems, please?

Note: This is not significant to any one system. EVERY Phase II capable system has that false indication!

I quote from the DB: "Some TGs on this system are using Phase II TDMA modulation, which cannot be monitored by any scanner."

Hope we can get this corrected soon!

Sorry if I'm a bearer of sorta bad news...

[Chauffeur6]

We are aware that the message needs to be updated.

Functionally, it doesn't really affect anything, it's just a text note.

Let's also keep in mind that the Phase II capability for the PSR-800 is via beta (test) firmware, it hasn't been made final just yet. Yes, it works, but it is still in the testing phase as far as GRE is concerned.

[gr8rcall]

Okay! Gotcha'!

Just wanted to be sure you guys knew...

Sorry,
gr8rcall

[troymail]

Originally Posted by Chauffeur6

We are aware that the message needs to be updated.

Functionally, it doesn't really affect anything, it's just a text note.

Let's also keep in mind that the Phase II capability for the PSR-800 is via beta (test) firmware, it hasn't been made final just yet. Yes, it works, but it is still in the testing phase as far as GRE is concerned.

May be BETA..... But I can tell you it works..... I listen every day.

[Chauffeur6]

Yes, I already acknowledged that it works. The point is that the PSR-800 does not ship with that firmware, it must be installed by the end-user. Let's not forget that the first version of the firmware broke X2-TDMA decoding. Anyway, there is no urgency to change the message in the database until GRE releases the firmware as non-beta and officially supports Phase II decoding.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: The software included in this archive is experimental beta
software. While some testing has been done to ensure that there are no major issues
with this software, there is always a chance that something may have been missed in
testing that could cause a loss of your current scanner programming. We recommend
that you make a backup of your scanner’s current programming before performing these
upgrades. There will be no official support for these beta versions of firmware and
software.

[KWs]

The message could be changed to ..The PSR-800 with beta (test) firmware is currently the only scanner capable of monitoring Phase II TDMA modulation ... I'm pretty sure this message change in the database would only take a minute and keep readers up to date on the technology evolution.

[tilt404]

Man, so just because its beta people keep saying its not the truth?. So silly. If it works, it works. Its not a figment of anyone's imagination.

[Chauffeur6]

Originally Posted by tilt404

Man, so just because its beta people keep saying its not the truth?. So silly. If it works, it works. Its not a figment of anyone's imagination.

No one ever said it wasn't true. Where on earth are you getting that from? Please, read the entire thread before commenting.

Let me state once and for all: The staff is aware that the message needs to be updated, we know what to update the message with, and we will do so in good time. Thank you.

[mtindor]

I could keep quiet, but I won't. I happen to agree with everyone here except for Chauffer6 If one scanner on the market supports it [even if the support only exists in publically available beta firmware], then the message should indicate that it can be monitored using a particular scanner.

Mike

[Chauffeur6]

Except that I never said the message shouldn't be changed, so I'm not quite sure what you are disagreeing with.

I said there was no real urgency to change it.

Anyway, for the last time, Lindsay is aware the message needs updating, he just hasn't gotten around to it yet. And on that note, I'm done with this thread. You guys can continue to argue the moot point if you wish.

[KD2DLL]

Originally Posted by Chauffeur6

Except that I never said the message shouldn't be changed, so I'm not quite sure what you are disagreeing with.

I said there was no real urgency to change it.

Anyway, for the last time, Lindsay is aware the message needs updating, he just hasn't gotten around to it yet. And on that note, I'm done with this thread. You guys can continue to argue the moot point if you wish.

Like chauffur6 said, there's no urgency. There are plenty more things that admins and Lindsay are working on that are a much higher priority than this. Such as getting broadcasify fully functional, This is a very minor detail.

[Highpockets]

gr8rcall,

See what you started.

[Chauffeur6]

I'm going to apologize if I came across as being dismissive towards the issue.

I agree that the message should be changed, regardless of the beta status of the firmware. We actually have discussed changing the message already, over a month ago. Maybe my "attitude" was just my frustration that the message hasn't been changed yet.

Thanks to gr8rcall for keeping us on our toes (you have nothing to be sorry about), and for everyone else's suggestions.

[gr8rcall]

Yeah,
Just wanted to avoid the average person who is looking to buy a scanner, going to that page and saying, "Oh no, I can't monitor them!"
When in fact they can!

Chauffer6,
No you didn't come across as being dismissive at all! You stated in your first post that the team was aware if the problem!

Originally Posted by Highpockets

gr8rcall,

See what you started.

HaHa! I'm always the troublemaker! (I'm kidding okay!!!???)

[MaxTracker]

A similar problem with P25 is that P25 conventional can use individual talk groups on the same channel. Where TG-0001 is Dispatch and TG-0003 is Secure .... The scanner itself wont distinguish the Talk groups but just decode the modulation in use on that frequency. One of the option relayed to me was to put that info regarding a specific radio system or conventional channel in the Radio Reference Wiki. Might be something you might consider ...

[Chauffeur6]

Originally Posted by MaxTracker

A similar problem with P25 is that P25 conventional can use individual talk groups on the same channel. Where TG-0001 is Dispatch and TG-0003 is Secure .... The scanner itself wont distinguish the Talk groups but just decode the modulation in use on that frequency. One of the option relayed to me was to put that info regarding a specific radio system or conventional channel in the Radio Reference Wiki. Might be something you might consider ...

That's not a similar problem at all. In fact, it's completely unrelated. Are you sure you posted in the right thread?

[MaxTracker]

You completely missed the point - feel free to delete the post