MOH question

[ClemeRo1]

I thought that all EMS uses the same 5 vehicular repeaters and the provincal paging freq. Howcome Ottawa, Toronto and probably other cities in southern Ontario are on EDACS Standard System? If I go to Ottawa and Toronto, will I still be able to hear EMS throught the 5 vehicular repeaters, provincal paging and the Bell FleetNet Freq.?

[bpsmicro]

Ottawa is on FleetNet, but maintains channels on the city's EDACS system for special operations. So yes, if you travel to Ottawa you'll be able to use the frequencies you're familiar with.
City of Toronto is on their own system, which is listed here on RR.
I can't answer for other cities.

Brad.

[hitsfm]

what freqs are you running for moh on uhf radio ref has most of them listed

[ocscan]

Ottawa uses EDACS only for special events currently, and dispatches regularily on Fleetnet. Toronto Ambulance has moved off the EDACS system onto the Motorola system. Toronto has always been different than the rest of the province when it comes to Ambulance....

[exkalibur]

Historicaly, Toronto EMS was one of the few EMS providers (Ottawa was one too) that was run by the City, not the Province. This is part of the reason things have always been different.

[bpsmicro]

Actually, after the Ontario government downloaded a bunch of services (but not money to pay for it) from the province to municipal governments, pretty much all of them are directly "run" by municipal entities. *But*, the MOH continues to "oversee" (or, as we prefer, "interfere") with said operations by imposing mostly stupid rules and regulations that make it difficult for the municipalities to fine-tune their systems to compensate for local realities.
Toronto has the power (and/or guts) to tell MOH to bite their collective shiny metal ... well, you get the point. :-)

Ottawa compromises. They use FleetNet for regular operations, because it mostly works (with some irritants). But they keep the EDACS stuff for special operations, because under certain circumstances FleetNet is totally incapable of handling larger-scale operations.

[SuperTex]

Both exalibur and BPSmicro are right. You're just talking about different time periods.

Before the province downloaded EMS on municipalities, there were a few that controlled their own EMS services. Toronto and Ottawa were two, Simcoe County where I live was run by RVH base hospital at one time and dispatched by the provincial CACC (Georgian). When the downloading happened the County contracted out to a private service (Health Trust) who ran it for a few years until the County cancelled their contract and took it back.

I know Muskoka is owned privately, and has been since the early 60's. They even had their own private CACC, until recently (I believe the province cancelled the contract) and were contracting with a few local FD for dispatch as well.

The story is very long and convoluted in this province, and lots of different stories depending where you are talking about.

[ClemeRo1]

I will buy myself a trunk tracker scanner (Uniden BC246T) soon so i'm looking at the analog talkgroups for Ottawa. What is the difference between Central Ambulance Communication Centre - EMS Dispatch and West in Ottawa? Is CACC a general diapatch or page freq. for the whole city and West, East ect. are the talkgroups that the call info is broadcast. I was also wondering why Ottawa EMS use Bell FleetNet and talkgroups? What i'm asking is can someone explain me the difference between CACC and talkgroup used by Ambulance service.

[EJB]

Originally Posted by ClemeRo1

I will buy myself a trunk tracker scanner (Uniden BC246T) soon so i'm looking at the analog talkgroups for Ottawa. What is the difference between Central Ambulance Communication Centre - EMS Dispatch and West in Ottawa? Is CACC a general diapatch or page freq. for the whole city and West, East ect. are the talkgroups that the call info is broadcast. I was also wondering why Ottawa EMS use Bell FleetNet and talkgroups? What i'm asking is can someone explain me the difference between CACC and talkgroup used by Ambulance service.

Man you try up alot of threads and ask a lot of unrelated questions.

A CACC is a communications centre that dispatches EMS calls.
In my area Mississauga CACC is the CACC and talkgroups for my area are on Hamilton EMS 35792.

A talkgroup is just a talkgroup used by a CACC.
A few EMS services do not use Fleetnet, Toronto does not there might be more, I do not know about Ottawa.

IIRC you live in the north, I have a better chance of becomming rich than you have a chance at listening to Ottawa.

[imcleish]

There are two types of dispatch centes in Ontario, CACC's and ACS's

CACC = Central Ambulance Communication Centre, and is a MOH Facility

ACS = Ambulance Communications Service, and is a Private Entity

Both provide dispatch of Emergency Service Ambulances in the Province, and are unique to their service area. ACS's are often attached to a particular Hospital or Service (eg/ Parrysound, Toronto ACS vs Lindsay CACC)

Hope this helps clear up some mud

[bpsmicro]

ClemeRo1, you'd do well to join the EasternOntarioScanning Yahoo group. All us Ottawa-area folk are there, and there's a 246T ARC file available to get you started.
Also, read the ScanOnt FAQ at -= The SCANONT FAQ v1.1 =-
Pretty much everything you'll need to know is there (and you need to have read it before asking questions, let you get pounced upon).

Brad.

[ClemeRo1]

Originally Posted by bpsmicro

ClemeRo1, you'd do well to join the EasternOntarioScanning Yahoo group. All us Ottawa-area folk are there, and there's a 246T ARC file available to get you started.
Also, read the ScanOnt FAQ at -= The SCANONT FAQ v1.1 =-
Pretty much everything you'll need to know is there (and you need to have read it before asking questions, let you get pounced upon).

Brad.

bpsmicro,

I know you in Ottawa but On your 246T, do you need to enter the following information in you scanner to program FleetNet or you only need to enter the freq. and TGs' id:

Custom Frequency Table

Base Spacing Offset
141.0150 15.0 380
151.7300 15.0 579
154.3200 15.0 632
System ID List

System ID Connect Tone
8230 Unknown


My browser does not let me see Mike O's page for prograpming FleetNet.

[EJB]

Here: Print this out:

I had no problem opening it.

Good luck

FAQ applies to the BCD396T. I believe the BC246T is similar in programming however I do not have one to try.

This FAQ assumes that your digital audio settings are ok. The defaults used when setting up the system should work fine however you should probably touch them up afterwards as I find the default setting isn't the best.

This FAQ only details how to setup Trunk Search mode. If you with to use Trunk Scan mode, you will need to determine which talkgroup id's you wish to listen to and program them in accordingly.

Before getting started, determine which system you wish to listen to and which site.

For Zone 1:
http://www.radioreference.com/module...=TRSDB&sid=861

For Zone 2:
http://www.radioreference.com/module...TRSDB&sid=2560

For Zone 3:
http://www.radioreference.com/module...TRSDB&sid=3511

Write down the red and blue frequencies for the site you closest to you. These are the control channels (primary and alternate) that the scanner will need to track the system.

Now, on your scanner press the MENU button located on the left side of the scanner to put you into -- MENU -- mode.

Your scanner should now be sitting on the Program System menu option. Press "E" to enter the System Programming menu.

If you already have systems entered in you will use the scroll knob (located on the top of the scanner) to select the New System menu entry. One turn counter clockwise should do it. Press "E".

You will now be at the Select Sys Type menu. Here you will rotate the scroll knob and select MOT and press "E".

Scroll to the VHF band entry and press "E".

Your scanner will ask you to confirm the entry by pressing "E". Your scanner should show Processing Wait, Please while it creates the system.

The scanner will give your system a name of System XX with an M on the far right of the display which denotes Motorola trunking. If you wish to change the System Name, use the Edit Name option. I'll let you RTFM to figure out how.

Scroll to the Edit Sys Option menu item and press "E".

Scroll to the Edit Band Plan menu item and press "E".

Your scanner should be sitting on Band Plan 1. The following steps will enter the 3 frequency ranges used by Fleetnet. This will allow your scanner to convert the channel numbers sent over the control channel to actual frequencies.

Currently only 1 site is using a transmit channel outside of Band Plan 1. However, since programming in all 3 band plans only takes a few minutes, you might as well take the time now and you'll be ready if they implement channels in Band Plans 2 and 3 later on at the site you have chosen.

Press "E" to start entering in the base, spacing and offset for Band Plan 1.

Press "141.015E" to enter the base frequency for Band Plan 1.
Scroll to the 15.0 kHz entry and press "E" to enter the channel spacing for Band Plan 1.
Press "E" to select the default Offset of 380 for Band Plan 1.

Your scanner will now be sitting on Band Plan 2. Press "E" to start.

Press "151.730E" to enter the base frequency for Band Plan 2.
Scroll to the 15.0 kHz entry and press "E" to enter the channel spacing for Band Plan 2.
Press "579E" to enter the Offset of 579 for Band Plan 2.

Your scanner will now be sitting on Band Plan 3. Press "E" to start.

Press "154.320E" to enter the base frequency for Band Plan 3.
Scroll to the 15.0 kHz entry and press "E" to enter the channel spacing for Band Plan 3.
Press "632E" to enter the Offset of 632 for Band Plan 3.

This concludes the Band Plan programming. Press Menu to go back to the System Options menu.

Scroll to the Set I-Call menu item and press "E".

Scroll to the On menu item and press "E". I-Calls are private calls between two radios on the system. I-Calls on Fleetnet are very rare so don't be surprised if you don't hear any.

Hit the Menu button to escape back to the main System Menu.

Now we need to tell the scanner what the control channels are for the site you want to listen to.

Scroll to Set Frequencies and press "E".

Press "E" again to enter a New Frequency.

Punch in the red frequency and press "E". The scanner should say Processing Wait, Please. This tells the scanner what the primary control channel for the site is.

Press Menu to escape back to the Sel Frequency menu.

Scroll to New Frequency and press "E".

Punch in the blue frequency and press "E". The scanner should say Processing Wait, Please. This tells the scanner what the secondary control channel for the site is.

Only one control channel at a time is active on a site. If the primary fails, the site will switch over to the secondary.

Press Menu twice to escape back to the main System Menu.

Now we'll set the system modulation.

Scroll to Set Modulation and press "E". Scroll to NFM and press "E".

At this point you should be able to press "Scan" and the scanner will start scanning. You should see the scanner briefly stop on the System and display ID Search. One of the control channel frequencies should show on the 3rd line. If there's any activity then the scanner should stop and display the talkgroup id (in decimal) on the 2nd line.

If you are having problems, you can manually go to the control channel frequency and check the signal strength.

Press "Hold" to stop your scanner from scanning. Hold down the Func button on the side of the scanner and press "7" (rcl). Use the scroll knob to select the system you just entered. Press "E" to select it, "E" again to select the system frequency and "E" again to select the channel. At this point you should be sitting on the red control channel frequency.

You should be able to hear control channel noise. The display will show Hold on line 1, SID:782Dh-0002** on line 2 and the red frequency on Line 3 alternating with any active talkgroup id's

**Note: replace 782D with the System ID of the appropriate system. 782D for Zone 1, 822F for Zone 2 and 8230 for Zone 3. Replace 0002 with the Site number of the site you are listening to. For example, somebody listening to Site 3 of Zone 2 would see SID:822Fh-0003.

If you are unable to hear any control channel noise, rotate the scroll knob to select the other control channel frequency (blue). If you cannot hear anything, then you might be out of range of that site.

If you need further help, ask here or on Scanont.

Please do not email or PM me. You will get a quicker answer using one of the above mentioned sources.
__________________
Mike.

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Last edited by Mike_Oxlong; 11-08-2006 at 11:36 AM.



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[bpsmicro]

Yes, to program Fleetnet you need all the base/offset/step stuff. The FAQ should cover all that. You're *far* better off getting an ARC246 (or FreeScan or ProScan) data file from somebody, blarfing that into your scanner, and then tweaking (or not) from there.

[ClemeRo1]

What program came with you BC246T? If it not ARC246 where can I download it for free? Also what is the difference between systems and groups on the 246t?

[ClemeRo1]

This question has realy no ties to this thread but I was wondering is the software ARC246 is sold in store? If so witch store in Northern Ontario? I hope the pragram that comes with the scanner is the ARC246 or an easy one to use?

[EJB]

Originally Posted by ClemeRo1

What program came with you BC246T? If it not ARC246 where can I download it for free? Also what is the difference between systems and groups on the 246t?

You should have a disk with your scanner that has freeware for Uniden.

[EJB]

Originally Posted by ClemeRo1

This question has realy no ties to this thread but I was wondering is the software ARC246 is sold in store? If so witch store in Northern Ontario? I hope the pragram that comes with the scanner is the ARC246 or an easy one to use?

Google is your friend.

1)Type in ARC and go to their site.
2) Software comes on a disk or you can download a trial version with the option to purchase a key to enable it for unlimited use.

You can also go to scannermaster which you should be able to find at the top of every radioreference page. They sell it (or used to) also.
When I get Uniden scanners I buy software keys from scannermaster.

Anything else?

[ClemeRo1]

If I already have the software's key, where can I download the program and enter the key durring instalation?

[EJB]

Do you have a key?

I couldnt answer that cause I dont know where and what you bought and from whom?