Who shot the elk?

[soundchaser]

Boulder murder mystery: Who shot this elk on Mapleton Hill? - Boulder Daily Camera

Neighbors say Boulder police shot the elk. Boulder police and county sheriff deny it.

[jimmnn]

Originally Posted by soundchaser

Boulder murder mystery: Who shot this elk on Mapleton Hill? - Boulder Daily Camera

Neighbors say Boulder police shot the elk. Boulder police and county sheriff deny it.

The police did.

Mystery solved: Boulder police admit officer shot elk, but failed to tell anyone - The Denver Post

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[Thayne]

It will be interesting to see how they will use the meat to go well with fruits & nuts---

[Confuzzled]

Is this a trend now?

Muscle Shoals police officer arrested after deer killing | The Tarnished Badge

[letarotor]

Those officers are toast! The fruit and granola vegan types in Boulder won't have that kind of sillyness. A memorial for the slain elk? Only in Boulder!!!

[Thayne]

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

Is this a trend now?

Muscle Shoals police officer arrested after deer killing | The Tarnished Badge

I don't know if the fuzz are that hungry, but some guy has been using a bow to shoot canadian geese during the late night-early morning in a Denver park.
The cyber-police need to monitor if anyone is Googling " How to cook a goose"

[robynabc]

Those officers know the law. The fact that they said nothing shows a judgment lapse. I hope they are fined big time. And the department should do something as well.

[Confuzzled]

Suspended w/pay (never understood that part).

[kma371]

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

Suspended w/pay (never understood that part).

its called due process.

innocent until proven guilty.

[04Z1V6]

Originally Posted by robynabc

Those officers know the law. The fact that they said nothing shows a judgment lapse. I hope they are fined big time. And the department should do something as well.

I think so too. I think the people who did this if off duty should face poaching and illegal discharge of a firearm. Police should never be above the law that they enforce. You guys are right about due process but this guy is on camera and posing in some ones front yard like he just went out for a hunting trip, instead of being in a yard of a city, as a person who hunts that picture is crap and the guy should not be paid he should loss his job.

[greenthumb]

Originally Posted by kma371

its called due process.

innocent until proven guilty.

That's applicable to the United States criminal justice system, not employment

[kc0kp]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

That's applicable to the United States criminal justice system, not employment

It also applies to employment as part of contract law. It depends on the employing entity's governing rules, whether it is civil service, career service, employee manual or union contract, If it says with pay, then that is what they are required.

[kma371]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

That's applicable to the United States criminal justice system, not employment

due process in terms of the police officer bill of rights as well as all union contracts.

[Confuzzled]

I don't think a paid vacation is appropriate. Put the pay while suspended into an escrow account. If you're cleared, you get it. If not, it goes towards any fines or penalties.

[mlmummert]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

That's applicable to the United States criminal justice system, not employment

All of these guys have union contracts that spell out the processes for issuing discipline. They have to be followed in order for the punishments to stick.


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[greenthumb]

Originally Posted by kc0kp

It also applies to employment as part of contract law. It depends on the employing entity's governing rules, whether it is civil service, career service, employee manual or union contract, If it says with pay, then that is what they are required.

Correct, but my point is that there is not necessarily an entitlement to either "due process" or "innocence until proven guilty" in employment as there is in the US criminal justice system. I was disagreeing with the blanket statement which was made. They could be "at will" employees for all I know.

[mlmummert]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

Correct, but my point is that there is not necessarily an entitlement to either "due process" or "innocence until proven guilty" in employment as there is in the US criminal justice system. I was disagreeing with the blanket statement which was made. They could be "at will" employees for all I know.

Yes this is true.

Practically every union contract out there includes protection from unjust punishment but that's not a constitutional issue. The constitution only protects you from the government, not your employer. The government has to treat you as innocent until proven guilty but no one else has to.


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[barry008]

Are you people crazy? One time when I was an LEO, I had to pull a buck deer out of the highway that had just been hit. I thought it was dead, but when I started moving it, the damn thing pinned me against my cruiser. I pulled my revolver and shot it in the head.
I can only imagine what an 800 pound elk could do to a person.

Obviously, this didn't happen in Colorado, but a bovine that has lost its fear of humans is very dangerous.

The LEOs did the right thing by dispatching it.

And recycling it.

[Confuzzled]

^^ If an animal is injured, it can be put down. Happens every day all over the country. We don't know that to be the case here. Maybe it was, maybe not.

The issue is how they handled it afterwards by not reporting it properly. That fact alone indicates they knew they did something wrong. If Wildlife had been called out for an injured animal, they could have handled it. Even if they had been called afterwards, they could have verified it was injured before the shoot and cleared the officers.

Then they have the issue of one of the officers taking it. In some states, Wildlife usually keeps a list of charities to take the animals in these cases.

Being suspended/fired may be the least of their worries since they may be facing state felony charges. I haven't seen a determination on that yet.

[kma371]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

Correct, but my point is that there is not necessarily an entitlement to either "due process" or "innocence until proven guilty" in employment as there is in the US criminal justice system. .

yes there is an entitlement to due process. look up peace officer bill of rights.