NEW RadioReference Classifieds Platform - Beta test - Page 2

KC4YIN · #21 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 03:42 PM

Nice! - Very Nice!!!

AlabamaRS · #22 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blantonl

RadioReference is pleased to announce the BETA release of the RadioReference Classified Ads platform! Your help is needed over the next few days as we test this platform.

Main Index - RadioReference Classifieds

Some notes:

1) Moving forward, only premium subscribers will be allowed to post ads in the RadioReference Classifieds. This is to help protect against numerous instances of fraud. All other users can participating in the classifieds including comments and the buy/sell process.

2) You can place for sale and auctions, and wanted ads on this platform.

3) This is in beta, so your feedback is welcomed and encouraged.

4) If you want, you can post your ads here and in the current forums classifieds forums until we make the switch.

5) If the beta goes well we will close the existing forums classifieds and use this platform full time.

Warm regards,

AS of this posting I am still seeing lot of post s of *FS* items by none premium members????

byndhlptom · #23 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 05:51 PM

Sorry to see the new policy. I am not a premium subscriber,( I don't need the downloads or special reports ) and can't justify the extra cost just to sell a few items that I'm not making money on.

I don't see that it will eliminate someone who sets out to defraud others. It will just be an additional cost of "doing business". I've read several of the problem posts, and don't see this addressing the problem. Many of the "problems" originate with the buyer defrauding the seller / or a trade deal going sour. How will limiting the sellers stop this?

I hope it goes well for RR , selling has just gotten more difficult for us honest people (Ebay has become just to much for a few items also...)

good luck

tom

CLynch7 · #24 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by byndhlptom

Sorry to see the new policy. I am not a premium subscriber,( I don't need the downloads or special reports ) and can't justify the extra cost just to sell a few items that I'm not making money on.

I don't see that it will eliminate someone who sets out to defraud others. It will just be an additional cost of "doing business". I've read several of the problem posts, and don't see this addressing the problem. Many of the "problems" originate with the buyer defrauding the seller / or a trade deal going sour. How will limiting the sellers stop this?

I hope it goes well for RR , selling has just gotten more difficult for us honest people (Ebay has become just to much for a few items also...)

good luck

tom

I'm going to second my vote with Toms. A premium member can scam as well as a non-premium member. I do like the idea and the layout in general, and think it is good.

davidbond21 · #25 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 06:14 PM

Plus there are many regular members who have impeccable reputations in all of their dealings here. I don't want to miss out on the deals they may have to offer because they're not paying members(I wasn't one for many years).

chrismol1 · #26 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 07:03 PM

Agreed.

I don't need any premium service. I do some selling on here and would like to continue that way.

Some kind of honor system for sellers/traders should be put in place.
Anyone can upgrade to premium and list a bunch of bogus ads.

AlabamaRS · #27 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by byndhlptom

sorry to see the new policy. I am not a premium subscriber,( i don't need the downloads or special reports ) and can't justify the extra cost just to sell a few items that i'm not making money on.

I don't see that it will eliminate someone who sets out to defraud others. It will just be an additional cost of "doing business". I've read several of the problem posts, and don't see this addressing the problem. Many of the "problems" originate with the buyer defrauding the seller / or a trade deal going sour. How will limiting the sellers stop this?

I hope it goes well for rr , selling has just gotten more difficult for us honest people (ebay has become just to much for a few items also...)

good luck

tom

amen!! I agree

James_Bond_007 · #28 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by byndhlptom

Sorry to see the new policy. I am not a premium subscriber,( I don't need the downloads or special reports ) and can't justify the extra cost just to sell a few items that I'm not making money on.

I don't see that it will eliminate someone who sets out to defraud others. It will just be an additional cost of "doing business". I've read several of the problem posts, and don't see this addressing the problem. Many of the "problems" originate with the buyer defrauding the seller / or a trade deal going sour. How will limiting the sellers stop this?

I hope it goes well for RR , selling has just gotten more difficult for us honest people (Ebay has become just to much for a few items also...)

good luck

tom

I agree with this assessment. i can't justify the cost of premium subscription just to sell items i am taking a loss on to begin with.

I suspect the new system is not going to work as well as you are hoping it to.

just look to ebay. they charge to sell and there is scamming galore going on.

After a quick look i do however like the new layout of the beta classifieds

Tryton · #29 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 11:59 PM

I too am a little baffled on the "Premium Members only" being able to list. I have sold 2 bcd996t's and just sold my IC-7000 (Thanks RR!) and have never had a problem or issue. I usually point to my ebay profile to show potential buyers that I have a 100% rating. As was stated earlier, being a paid member does not make you honest. I do love the new way it looks, but maybe a seller rating system, or member since would be better.. if the person is a ham, they must put their call sign in the ad as well? I only suggest this because my understanding of why this is being a paid member only listing is from problems with the sales.. Anyways, this site is the best! and thanks to all the hard working folks here for keeping this site running everyday

Dubbin · #30 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 01:13 AM

Wouldn't a minimum post count for both buyers and sellers work better?

kmacka · #31 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 01:19 AM

The requirement (must be a paid subscription user) is just a revenue generator for this site. I don't believe this requirement will make a great impact on fraudulent transactions taking place. I believe a post count requirement may be a little better.

nrfire2003 · #32 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 02:11 AM

I also think having to become a member is kinda out right wrong. There are plenty of us out here that have good reps but dont have the "extra cash" to become a member..... Also the minimum post is a good idea BUT some one could just write on several different threads about stuff and get there posts . so its a lose lose item here

KC9OZL

blantonl · #33 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chrismol1

Anyone can upgrade to premium and list a bunch of bogus ads.

Yes, but anyone that purchases a premium subscription also leaves their Real Name and Address with us since they executed a credit card transaction. That can help significantly in tracking down fraudulent individuals.

blantonl · #34 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kmacka

The requirement (must be a paid subscription user) is just a revenue generator for this site.

You are exactly right... what is wrong with that? Generating revenue is the core reason for any business to stay in business.

Also, remember, you are a feed provider so you've got a free premium subscription.

Chauffeur6 · #35 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blantonl

Yes, but anyone that purchases a premium subscription also leaves their Real Name and Address with us since they executed a credit card transaction. That can help significantly in tracking down fraudulent individuals.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blantonl

Also, remember, you are a feed provider so you've got a free premium subscription.

You actually just exposed a major weakness of this "premium subscribers only" system. Anyone can provide a feed to obtain said premium subscription without ever providing you with their real name or credit card information. Time to once again rethink this thing a little deeper.

Perhaps another level of registration is required for those wishing to use the classified system, whereby they have to provide their real name and credit card information in order to gain access after approval. Non-paying feed providers would need to supply their CC information, and would have a small amount charged and immediately reversed for verification if they wish to use the classified system. More work for you that way, but it at least closes the audio feed provider loophole somewhat.

Perhaps you could offer a separate subscription for those wishing to sell here, but who don't need or want the full $30/year premium membership package. Even if you charged only $10/year for classified section access, at least you wouldn't be losing money on those who don't think it's worth paying $30 if they're never going to use the full premium subscription. If they subsequently decide to purchase a full premium subscription, the $10 can be applied as credit towards it.

blantonl · #36 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 09:54 AM

Chauffeur6,

There are weaknesses in every process, especially when it comes to fraud. Someone could use a stolen credit card, someone could mail me a check for $7.50 and fraud away. But, the reality is that we will discourage a number of these amateur hour people that try to make a quick buck. The determined person to rip someone off is very difficult to stop from getting started (but they usually get caught in the end)

Also remember that a premium subscription is $7.50/per 90 days... that works out to $2.50/month. The minimum you can purchase via credit card is a $15/subscription for 180 days.

scannerfreak · #37 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blantonl

Chauffeur6,

There are weaknesses in every process, especially when it comes to fraud. Someone could use a stolen credit card, someone could mail me a check for $7.50 and fraud away. But, the reality is that we will discourage a number of these amateur hour people that try to make a quick buck. The determined person to rip someone off is very difficult to stop from getting started (but they usually get caught in the end)

Also remember that a premium subscription is $7.50/per 90 days... that works out to $2.50/month. The minimum you can purchase via credit card is a $15/subscription for 180 days.

Which is still much cheaper then the Ebay and PayPal fees you are charged to sell on Ebay. On top of that all there is also the other things you get in addition to this by becoming a premium subscriber.

I, and I am sure Lindsay agrees, would welcome people setting up feeds just to get premium status. That also benefits the sites members as there would be more feeds to choose from and we may even get some feeds in an area we might not have otherwise, which is why I suspect the incentive to host is there in the first place.

Just my two cents

James_Bond_007 · #38 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 11:15 AM

I can setup a feed and get free premium status??? How do i do that?

I would be glad to add a hunterdon county feed. I am close enough to the uhf simulcast site that i get full quieting.

I can stream in Mp3/shoutcast using my Telos AudioActive Standalone Streamer.

may even be able to do NJSP on one Ch, Hunterdon County on the other.

or even warren county / hunterdon county setup.

KG4LJF · #39 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 11:36 AM

I'll just jump on the bandwagon and make a feed so I can post for free too.

Highpockets · #40 (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 11:49 AM

As far as being a Premium Member here, I don't use the import feature for myself, I have used it to help other users, even though I'm retired I like the site so I send the money in to help keep the site up and running. As long as I've been a member here I have never used the classified area, I only buy new or face to face with a person. As far as the changes go, I just hope it works out for the best!