Are Scanner Feeds Killing The LE Monitoring Hobby? - Page 7

Ronaldski · #**121** (**permalink**) 03-11-2013, 3:52 PM

Yep its because of all the scanner feeds... HERE !!!!!!!!!! We all know that.

Radioreference has helped out a ton for all, but ultimately is helping to kill the hobby with the feeds.
See Encrypted Agencies - The RadioReference Wiki

This listed is not being reduced, its only being added to.

Its the ole get $ quick, but in the long run the $ isnt going to be there for this site like it has been because of this. Reduce the feeds, I wish we could eliminate them, but at least put a 10-30 minute delay on the feeds!
Radioreference does have a say in encryption, if it wasnt for the feeds very likely agencies would not have decided to encrypt.

See - as an example, the reason why New Orleans doing so, - New Orleans area going encrypted

Quote:

From the horse's mouth- they're going encrypted BECAUSE of online streaming:

Originally Posted by Dept. of Homeland Security
"In today's technologically advanced world you now have free app's which allow anyone to hear the police call being dispatched, even the bad guys, which I am sure you agree is a safety issue for the officers."

For restarting GRE production, why would a lot of people buy a $400-$500 radio when they can tune their 911 in on a 'free' app or tune in here?
I know there are a lot of advantages to having your own, but we as a group are more advanced in this than most.

zerg901 · #**122** (**permalink**) 03-11-2013, 4:31 PM

Are Scanner Feeds Killing The LE Monitoring Hobby?

Some people seem to think that scanner feeds pose a great danger to police officers. Has anyone heard of any incidents yet where any police officer has been harmed by any scanner feed? The feeds typically have inherent delays, and scan multiple channels at once. It is just as likely that a police officers life will be saved by a scanner feed as a police officers life will be lost due to a scanner feed.

Possibly this has nothing at all to do with officer safety. Possibly it is all about secrecy.

Ronaldski · #**123** (**permalink**) 03-11-2013, 4:39 PM

zaeg901 I do actually agree with you! As stated before, Motorola telling 911's about the feeds and pushing encryption irregardless of incidents and 911's can have an inherent built in fear of feeds.

JoeyC · #**124** (**permalink**) 03-11-2013, 8:07 PM

Sgt Crump sums it up pretty succintly here:

Phoenix PD Encrypted HOT calls

rdale · #**125** (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 3:36 PM

Not sure he knows the difference between a "scanner" and a "feed" - the PIO makes it clear...

awattam · #**126** (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 6:13 PM

I was driving my kid and her friend home the other day and thought it would be fun to show off my scanner. Without hesitating the kids friend announced `oh I have one of those on my phone'. So I think the last post is right, some people dont know the difference between a scanner and the feeds. I soon showed the friend that mine can pick up stuff that the live feeds could never supply. I think there is a major advantage to owning a proper scanner versus a cell phone app.

mkewman · #**127** (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 7:17 PM

I've heard stories from numerous people in Law Enforcement (I mean NUMEROUS) about barricaded subjects who have been found using scanner feed app, cell phones found in cars with the app running after being involved in a pursuit.

There's no doubt about it, criminals are using the apps. I would say the vast majority of criminals don't, but there are some who do.

That's why I don't stream anymore.

MisterK33 · #**128** (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 7:20 PM

It's interesting reading the reviews of the feed aps, such as when a reviewer posts "please put city XYZ on this!"

blantonl · #**129** (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mkewman

I've heard stories from numerous people in Law Enforcement (I mean NUMEROUS) about barricaded subjects who have been found using scanner feed app, cell phones found in cars with the app running after being involved in a pursuit.

So, in each instance they were caught, since LE found "scanner feed apps" on their phone.

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There's no doubt about it, criminals are using the apps. I would say the vast majority of criminals don't, but there are some who do.

But those that do seem to run into roadblocks using our service to evade law enforcement since they always seem to get caught.

Come on guys.... we need to be realistic.

The flip side of the coin is that we've had a few law enforcement agencies contact us over at Broadcastify asking how they can get their police department online on Broadcastify.

eorange · #**130** (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 7:58 PM

Widespread exposure to the masses will always heighten the scrutiny, whether justified or not. It goes with the territory, and this is the world we now live in, like it or not.

car55 · #**131** (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 11:41 PM

I don't believe the scanner feeds are main reason . It just other thing the chief of police will say along the lines with bad guy have scanner or app and take off or there is foot chase or car chase the bad guy knows where we are.

Or the public and media hear calls and gets in the way.

Posting calls on youtube or other sites I think is 100 times worse.

bear780ks · #**132** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 1:57 AM

@car55 I don't either).

I think Mr. Blanton maid a good point at what he said: I had to use my Cell phone for a bit yesterday as i ran out of battery power on my 396 i didn't have my back up Cell's to run it with me so until i got some Alk, at a local Shack store).

I relied on my Razr Maxx for a few hours for Listening. You can here the Traffic but as it can't be locked on a particular channel with Delay it's going to loose allot of the important stuff that a scanner can be set to capture i will say getting my scanner back up N running and with my Razr's scanner app i Caught some traffic that will be with me for a long time to Come...

Jimru · #**133** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 6:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bear780ks

@car55 I don't either).

I think Mr. Blanton maid a good point at what he said: I had to use my Cell phone for a bit yesterday as i ran out of battery power on my 396 i didn't have my back up Cell's to run it with me so until i got some Alk, at a local Shack store).

I relied on my Razr Maxx for a few hours for Listening. You can here the Traffic but as it can't be locked on a particular channel with Delay it's going to loose allot of the important stuff that a scanner can be set to capture i will say getting my scanner back up N running and with my Razr's scanner app i Caught some traffic that will be with me for a long time to Come...

Well, Lindsay was discussing reality and I think some other folks here are dealing with the perception of reality.

In the case of scanner feeds, and scanning in general, it's the perception of reality by the police chiefs that trumps the facts.

Don't confuse them with the facts!

MississippiPI · #**134** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 8:18 AM

I feel that I must weigh in this discussion. I am a former TV assignment editor and photographer and the feeds are a good thing I my opinion. The LEO's are being "watched" by John Q Public and their actions are being monitored as well to some degree. There are pros ans cons to this topic, there are good cops and there are bad cops, ect. The bottom line is if I am in trouble and need some help you can bet I will call 911...

Be safe

cronst10 · #**135** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 8:31 AM

How much influence does the salesman have at a meeting with city, town board members when he gives his presentation on upgraging their radio systems ? Be willing to bet that has a major impact on this subject, and sure he throws out all the negatives on scanners, live feeds. If his sales pitch doesn't fly, no big fat pay check.

rdale · #**136** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 9:52 AM

The salesman doesn't get any more or less based on encryption.

eorange · #**137** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 10:20 AM

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; CPU iPhone OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B206 Safari/7534.48.3)

Sales is evidently not your forte.

cronst10 · #**138** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 10:44 AM

True Rob, and he doesn't get anything if they don't buy from his company. My point was what sales pitch is he throwing out relating to scanner owners, live feeds, that could be damaging to you and I that enjoy this hobby and don't abuse it. I'm sure you and I could go round and round with this, when Lake County upgraded to the system we have now, one of our citizens, and RR member attended the meetings and raised his hand to ask a question about the system and was told that wasn't on the agenda, he even posted about his experience at that meeting, anyways, nice to hear from you, hope all is well.

bear780ks · #**139** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimru

Well, Lindsay was discussing reality and I think some other folks here are dealing with the perception of reality.

In the case of scanner feeds, and scanning in general, it's the perception of reality by the police chiefs that trumps the facts.

Don't confuse them with the facts!

Perception of Reality who are you referring this to:

My Perception of Reality is:
Have you ever Rode in a Squad Car i have With several Sheriff Officers i'm good friends with And a Highway Patrol officer and it wasn't in the Back seat with Hand Cuffs on..

When i'm Listen to my Scanner i feel what the men and women do when they that put that Uniform on i have Road 12 hr shifts was in a short chase and went to more than one accident scene moving at speeds with Lights and Siren that i'v never approached in my Own Vehicle.

So that's my perception of Reality..

Jimru · #**140** (**permalink**) 03-13-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bear780ks

Perception of Reality who are you referring this to:

My Perception of Reality is:
Have you ever Rode in a Squad Car i have With several Sheriff Officers i'm good friends with And a Highway Patrol officer and it wasn't in the Back seat with Hand Cuffs on..

When i'm Listen to my Scanner i feel what the men and women do when they that put that Uniform on i have Road 12 hr shifts was in a short chase and went to more than one accident scene moving at speeds with Lights and Siren that i'v never approached in my Own Vehicle.

So that's my perception of Reality..

That is really what I mean. Irrespective of the fact that feeds are delayed by however long, etc, it's the perception that they are being listened to at all that informs decisions to encrypt.

Doesn't matter what the actual technical aspects are, only that people may be and are in fact listening in.

We, as hobbyists know that the vast majority of us are law abiding and in fact have helped LE in spotting bad guys, but now that anyone with a phone app can listen in, the technical aspects are irrelevant.

Am I making sense here? Sometimes I can drivel on. ;-)