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03-22-2005, 08:19 PM
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Why hasnt a VSELP Capable scanner ever been made?
why hasnt a vselp capable scanner been made ever? :?:
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03-22-2005, 08:23 PM
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It's probably not worth their effort. I don't know but I would assume the manufacturer would have to pay a separate licensing / royalty fee to implement the code.
There probably aren't enough VSELP systems around to offset the cost.
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03-22-2005, 08:24 PM
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VSELP Scanners
Its all about money. Probably not enough areas that use it. Less area = no money in return.
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03-22-2005, 08:30 PM
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What can i use to hear vselp with the pro-96 which is for the cleveland vselp system besides the internet link? and when do you think this vselp system will go to a P-25 capable system i can monitor? :?:
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03-22-2005, 08:39 PM
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An old astro saber I suppose....
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03-22-2005, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander
What can i use to hear vselp with the pro-96
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Nothing
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and when do you think this vselp system will go to a P-25 capable system i can monitor? :?:
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When they get the money to replace most of the field equipment.
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03-22-2005, 08:53 PM
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vselp is protected by patents held by motorola. You can't produce a scanner with technology that is protected without obtaining a license. In this case motorola would not license anyone to make anything including a scanner. It is the same thing they have done with their patented iDEN technology. Of course macom is not about to ever license anyone to produce a radio or scanner with provoice technology.
These manufactuers make more money from selling one system than they would ever receive from all of the scanners that would be made.
APCO pushed for a common system that would be open to multiple bidders. That is why we can receive the P25 digital systems.
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03-22-2005, 09:00 PM
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How would i program a ASTRO Saber to hear the cleveland vselp system? what do i need to program it with their frequencies and talkgroups from the rr database? :?:
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03-22-2005, 09:19 PM
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How would i program a ASTRO Saber to hear the cleveland vselp system? what do i need to program it with their frequencies and talkgroups from the rr database? :?:
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You'll need a few hundred $$$ to purchase an ASTRO Saber with the VSELP Vocoder in it. Then, you'll need lots of clout to even get it programmed by the Motorola shop in Cleveland. I don't think that will ever happen.
On top of that, by the end of 2008, Cleveland will have a new P-25 system in place. After the rebanding takes affect.
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03-22-2005, 09:30 PM
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On top of that, by the end of 2008, Cleveland will have a new P-25 system in place.
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Is the "end of 2008" the beginning or end of the process? If it's the end, then when do you think the first P-25 will go in? Surely there would be a transition process...?
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03-22-2005, 09:53 PM
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when do you think the first P-25 will go in?
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i believe i read april 2006
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03-22-2005, 10:27 PM
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How would i program a ASTRO Saber to hear the cleveland vselp system? what do i need to program it with their frequencies and talkgroups from the rr database? :?:
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It's a whole nother world!
You would need a radio with older VSELP firmware and DSP etc....
The programming equipment (rib, cables, software, etc....)
A system key file
They program using the 3 digit hex equivalents for the talk groups
Plus, you can only scan 10 or maybe 16 talk groups max. I don't recall right now which it is.
Bottom line is that it's really not worth it. Just wait it out and get a new scanner that can follow the new system they are planning on putting in place.
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03-22-2005, 11:03 PM
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How would i program a ASTRO Saber to hear the cleveland vselp system? what do i need to program it with their frequencies and talkgroups from the rr database? :?:
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It's a whole nother world!
You would need a radio with older VSELP firmware and DSP etc....
The programming equipment (rib, cables, software, etc....)
A system key file
They program using the 3 digit hex equivalents for the talk groups
Plus, you can only scan 10 or maybe 16 talk groups max. I don't recall right now which it is.
Bottom line is that it's really not worth it. Just wait it out and get a new scanner that can follow the new system they are planning on putting in place.
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already have the newest digital scanner the pro-96 which i think will be good unless they go to a digital edacs system then i will not be able to monitor them at all. 
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03-22-2005, 11:41 PM
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What about the re-banding? Maybe I missed the info regarding the 96 and how it will be effected.
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03-23-2005, 06:33 AM
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already have the newest digital scanner the pro-96 which i think will be good unless they go to a digital edacs system then i will not be able to monitor them at all. |
Don't think of it as a "Digital Scanner",
just a "P25 Scanner"
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03-23-2005, 08:56 AM
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What about the re-banding? Maybe I missed the info regarding the 96 and how it will be effected.
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It should be able to be reprogrammed to operate on the new bandplan, assuming it holds in it's current form. It'll require putting in 6 tables to work though.
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03-24-2005, 06:50 PM
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What about the re-banding? Maybe I missed the info regarding the 96 and how it will be effected.
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It should be able to be reprogrammed to operate on the new bandplan, assuming it holds in it's current form. It'll require putting in 6 tables to work though.
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Whats rebanding mean? does this mean they are going to go to 700 mhz band and digital and does this mean the marcs system will be going to 700 mhz to? :?:
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03-24-2005, 07:52 PM
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Okay, this has wandered far enough afield from the original topic.
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