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03-07-2009, 09:04 AM
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Scanner buy back program
I think it would be a cool idea. You encryptionists wanna hide, then buy my scanner back! Are you doing something illegal or what that it has to be hidden. I'm not sure I believe its for "safety" its always some other agenda. Right now police in this town when they use it, which seems more often then not, it sounds like analog tv noise and then neeee sound, kinda like a tone. I got a recording of the sound. But I usually keep that channel locked out. When everywhere decides to go to "secrecy" I bet there WILL be a lot of noise.
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03-07-2009, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by idontknow82
I think it would be a cool idea. You encryptionists wanna hide, then buy my scanner back! Are you doing something illegal or what that it has to be hidden. I'm not sure I believe its for "safety" its always some other agenda. Right now police in this town when they use it, which seems more often then not, it sounds like analog tv noise and then neeee sound, kinda like a tone. I got a recording of the sound. But I usually keep that channel locked out. When everywhere decides to go to "secrecy" I bet there WILL be a lot of noise.
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Interesting point of view, but I don't see any reason why anyone who uses encrypted systems are obligated to buy back your scanners. That is just a silly thought.
Read the threads on here about scanners becoming obsolete. If you read them you will find that many people doubt scanners will become obsolete in the near future because of either new modes or encryption. In some cases it is not practical to use encryption, either technologically or financially. I have heard of some major problems that public safety systems are having with encryption.
I realized a couple weeks ago that some smaller police departments in the suburbs here use ProVoice on a wide-area, multi-state trunked system based here in Iowa. These police departments' dispatch talkgroups are ProVoice, but not their tac/chat/car-to-car channels. ProVoice is not currently scannable. As a journalist, I am strongly against closing dispatch frequencies/talkgroups to the public and this really angers me they would make the dispatch channel unscannable but leave the tac channel open. If it REALLY was in the name of "SAFETY" then they would have made the tac channel ProVoice and leave dispatch scannable. There shouldn't be anything to hide on the dispatch channel, there's no sensitive information being passed. Makes me wonder...
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03-07-2009, 09:40 PM
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03-07-2009, 10:14 PM
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There is still much to scan even if a few agency's are using encryption.
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03-07-2009, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by idontknow82
I think it would be a cool idea. You encryptionists wanna hide, then buy my scanner back!
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Good luck with that one...
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Are you doing something illegal or what that it has to be hidden. I'm not sure I believe its for "safety" its always some other agenda.
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Why do you think there is something illegal going on?
And yes, sometimes there are things that need to be hidden and also there is an issue of Officer safety but it sounds if your mind is already made up about this subject since you seem to have an extensive inner-working knowledge of Law Enforcement work and such...
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Right now police in this town when they use it, which seems more often then not,
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Yep, your extensive inner-working knowledge of Law Enforcement work would lead you to think that is is so...
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it sounds like analog tv noise and then neeee sound, kinda like a tone. I got a recording of the sound. But I usually keep that channel locked out.
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Had nothing better to do than to record it, huh? 
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When everywhere decides to go to "secrecy" I bet there WILL be a lot of noise.
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Not everyone and everywhere will ever decide to go "secrecy"...
Your scanner will always be good for monitoring something for a very, very, very long time...
The sky is not falling!!!
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03-07-2009, 10:43 PM
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LOL we encrypt a few channels just to frustrate one scanner maggot around here who used to be somewhat involved in Public Safety.
Realize encryption means I am not getting sniped by the bad guys because they stole some hams scanner or used their illegal profits to purchase. Good encryption takes hours at the bare minimum to crack so where we are staging and the route I am taking to clear a building will be old news.
I agree, routine traffic really does not need to be encrypted. People like to hide behind the guise of "officer safety" because local cops like to feel important.
I worked for an agency completely surrounded by the turf of another. The other agency went to a p25 system with encryption. Other than DHS nobody within 100 miles of this city is p25. Now they have to talk to the SO and CHP aircraft on a simplex clear analog channel, how does that setup sound?
I dont care if you know what I am up to or not. If you ask whats up, Ill let you know why we are where we are and what we are up to. I do however, care if the bad guys know what we are up to apart from spotlights, shields, barking dogs, flash bangs, hostage negotiators, and/or yelling.
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03-08-2009, 07:57 AM
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How can they "buy back" something they never owned?
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03-08-2009, 08:24 AM
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How can they "buy back" something they never owned?
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Agencies have been buying back weapons from thugs that they never owned.
Encyption has it's place but the everyday dispatch???? Some are paranoid and some are really scared.!! |
03-08-2009, 12:47 PM
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Whenever you see the "safety card" being played (on any job), "safety" is usually not the issue.
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03-08-2009, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by radiomanNJ1
Agencies have been buying back weapons from thugs that they never owned.
Encyption has it's place but the everyday dispatch???? Some are paranoid and some are really scared.!!
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How can they "buy back" something that they NEVER OWNED to begin with? |
03-08-2009, 10:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulsan
How can they "buy back" something that they NEVER OWNED to begin with?
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Originally Posted by radiomanNJ1
Agencies have been buying back weapons from thugs that they never owned.
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Why should people that have spent who knows how much on a scanner or scanners, have to have a useless paper weight? |
03-09-2009, 04:51 AM
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Why should people that have spent who knows how much on a scanner or scanners, have to have a useless paper weight?
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Nobody forced them to buy it or will force them to use it. Should computer companies be forced to buy back outdated computers? What about automakers?
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03-09-2009, 11:27 AM
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Example:
I used to use my scanner to listen to my neighbor's baby monitor. However, since then, the kid has grown up and the monitor is no longer used. I think it would only be fair if my neighbor offered to buy back the scanner from me. It is his fault he chose to discontinue using his baby monitor, so why should I suffer?
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03-09-2009, 11:36 AM
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Best post in the thread! 
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03-09-2009, 11:55 AM
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03-09-2009, 01:10 PM
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Im not talking about cars, how do you pick up a car on a scanner anyways? If you find it entertaining to listen to baby monitors, thats your business. Whatever floats your boat, But if you want to side with government secrecy, thats up to you. I sure won't.
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03-09-2009, 05:11 PM
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Unfortunately, encrypting the voice DOES NOT equal "Officer Safety".
Never has, never will.
If you're assuming that the "bad guys" have a scanner.
And you're assuming that they will be using this to commit ill acts against "Officer Safety".
Then don't use the radio. Period.
The control channel isn't encrypted.
If the "bad guy" listens to the input to the control channel - he can not only tell that someone
is in the vicinity, but also the RID and ergo the agency and possibly the identity of the Officer
who is approaching.
A truly "bad guy" would thus make a database of those RID's and the agencies and sub-agencies
(like Narc, or SWAT, or...) and know EXACTLY when someone is approaching his house of ill-repute
with or without voice encryption.
It's sort of amazing how few "experts" have any concept of signals intelligence. (at all)
Jim
PS: as to the original poster - LOL - if the officers/agencies in question knew exactly how UNSAFE these
trunking systems were - you'd see this "tide of encryption" stop quickly.
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03-09-2009, 05:47 PM
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Why did you assume it is a trunked system?
There are lots of degrees of intelligence in the "Bad Guys" community. Encryption keeps MOST of them from knowing what is going on.
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03-09-2009, 10:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by idontknow82
Why should people that have spent who knows how much on a scanner or scanners, have to have a useless paper weight?
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Isn't it amazing how much business eBay does in these useless paperweights...
Why don't you quit your whiny trolling? |
03-10-2009, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by newsphotog
Interesting point of view, but I don't see any reason why anyone who uses encrypted systems are obligated to buy back your scanners. That is just a silly thought.
Read the threads on here about scanners becoming obsolete. If you read them you will find that many people doubt scanners will become obsolete in the near future because of either new modes or encryption. In some cases it is not practical to use encryption, either technologically or financially. I have heard of some major problems that public safety systems are having with encryption.
I realized a couple weeks ago that some smaller police departments in the suburbs here use ProVoice on a wide-area, multi-state trunked system based here in Iowa. These police departments' dispatch talkgroups are ProVoice, but not their tac/chat/car-to-car channels. ProVoice is not currently scannable. As a journalist, I am strongly against closing dispatch frequencies/talkgroups to the public and this really angers me they would make the dispatch channel unscannable but leave the tac channel open. If it REALLY was in the name of "SAFETY" then they would have made the tac channel ProVoice and leave dispatch scannable. There shouldn't be anything to hide on the dispatch channel, there's no sensitive information being passed. Makes me wonder...
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I thought the PSR-500/600 could monitor pro-voice as long as ESK wasn't used. I thought I read this somewhere, I could be wrong though.
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