Well this is certianly interesting.

KC2OBW · #1 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 2:07 AM

Lately I've been scanning the GMRS band (in the process of building a repeater and what to hear what freqs are active and which ones are not) For a while I've been coming across some users on 462.7125 with a DPL of 731, doing a little more listening I figure out it is one of the local hospitals Security, now here is the weird thing last I knew the Hospital was using a VHF Trbo system on 155.235. How here is were it gets even stranger, when I hear them talking on FRS/GMRS 7 the 155.235 freq becomes active with Trbo noise. And by listening on FRS 7 you can indeed tell they are using digital radios buy the echoing you hear in the background when you have two radios in close proximity. If I didn't know any better I'd say this is illegal......

KB7MIB · #2 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 3:57 AM

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It may be that they, or perhaps a 3rd party who wants to monitor them when away from home, have an illegal cross-band repeater set-up.

krokus · #3 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 5:01 AM

Have you tried to DF the UHF signal?

WA0CBW · #4 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 10:16 AM

Just this past month several of us tracked down a commercial business repeater using a GMRS frequency. Passed the info to the local FCC field office and within 3 days they were shut down. The FCC field agent indicated their fine would be around $16,000.00. Ouch!

BB

gewecke · #5 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WA0CBW

Just this past month several of us tracked down a commercial business repeater using a GMRS frequency. Passed the info to the local FCC field office and within 3 days they were shut down. The FCC field agent indicated their fine would be around $16,000.00. Ouch!

BB

Good job! The Central Ill. Regional Airport here in bloomington has been using 462.625 Mhz/ different pl's from time to time on simplex for the past few years now without being licensed, for their fuel trucks.
I've attempted to chat with them a few times with no luck.

73,
n9zas

KC2OBW · #6 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 11:20 AM

Well I did a little driving around I went to were the link could be and its coming from one of the local radio shops, while the hospital was talking I took the antenna off my HT and long and behold I can still hear them chatting away on the link. Will definitely be contacting the FCC on this. I'm pretty sure the hospital has no clue this is going on .

mancow · #7 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 11:23 AM

Why don't you go to the shop first?

KC2OBW · #8 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mancow

Why don't you go to the shop first?

because they are a bunch of morons.... They know what they are doing. They have a habit of selling radios and programming them on frs and gmrs, and even on business band freqs they are not licensed for. And if I went in there and told them they would look at me like I had two heads. This happened once when my agency was on their edac system. There was a problem with their system they proceeded to tell me it was a problem with the radio, so I dropped of the radio and they said they checked the PL on it. Last I knew CTCSS wasn't used on edacs.

KD2ACM · #9 (**permalink**) 07-16-2012, 11:54 PM

Take a ride through NYC and you'll get used to hearing businesses on GMRS real quick.

gewecke · #10 (**permalink**) 07-17-2012, 8:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KD2ACM

Take a ride through NYC and you'll get used to hearing businesses on GMRS real quick.

Yeah, the same is true for the chicago area too. Clueless people...

73,
n9zas

dksac2 · #11 (**permalink**) 09-01-2012, 7:17 PM

I'm too lazy to do the math now, but could it be a harmonic?

John

n5ims · #12 (**permalink**) 09-01-2012, 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dksac2

I'm too lazy to do the math now, but could it be a harmonic?

John

Not likely. If it was harmonic related, the signal would still be digital Turbo, not converted to analog FM.

exkalibur · #13 (**permalink**) 09-01-2012, 7:57 PM

I really hate to be the one who has to say this...but... why is it your business to go to the FCC?

Are they interfering with anyone? Are they causing a legit user problems?

Yes, I realize it could be illegal, but do you call the Police for every speeder and j-walker you see?

gewecke · #14 (**permalink**) 09-01-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by exkalibur

I really hate to be the one who has to say this...but... why is it your business to go to the FCC?

Are they interfering with anyone? Are they causing a legit user problems?

Yes, I realize it could be illegal, but do you call the Police for every speeder and j-walker you see?

This is commonly known as self-policing a band. We hams have done this for decades, and I can see GMRS users doing this too.
Relying on your government to do their job, is a lot like relying on the president not to lie to the American public.

73,
n9zas

KC2OBW · #15 (**permalink**) 09-02-2012, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by exkalibur

I really hate to be the one who has to say this...but... why is it your business to go to the FCC?

Are they interfering with anyone? Are they causing a legit user problems?

Yes, I realize it could be illegal, but do you call the Police for every speeder and j-walker you see?

For those of us who have the required licenses to operate on different bands yes it is our business. I paid 85 dollars to obtain a gmrs license to operate legally on that band. And any one else who has a license it is our business to call the FCC to report illegal users on a band that we paid money to legally use. And a Radio Shop of all places should follow the rules.

dnchlson · #16 (**permalink**) 09-02-2012, 2:55 AM

You know what happened when the first guy pumped 1500 watts onto the Citizen's Band? It didn't get reported, so a few of his buddies did it, and they didn't get reported.... and so on and so on down the line until now, 11 meters is a jumbled mess of noise, whistlers, stations with so much power it threatens to overload your radio. The FCC has turned their back and written the Citizen's Band off, which is why now you see gmrs band opening up, and requiring a license to operate on. If the operators don't police the band then no one will be able to, and it'll turn the frequencies we all cherish into garbage like the CB.

KF5QGF

gunmasternd · #17 (**permalink**) 09-03-2012, 10:57 AM

i can understand that that radio shop needs to be punished. but really going out of your way to fine people using that band illegally just seems to me you can spend you time doing other stuff.

kb5zcs · #18 (**permalink**) 09-03-2012, 11:09 AM

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Yes turn them in to the FCC......

KC2OBW · #19 (**permalink**) 09-03-2012, 8:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gunmasternd

i can understand that that radio shop needs to be punished. but really going out of your way to fine people using that band illegally just seems to me you can spend you time doing other stuff.

I wasn't fishing for violators. I was doing a search of the gmrs band being that I plan on putting up a gmrs repeater and wanted to see what freqs are not used, so it was more of something I stumbled on while searching the gmrs band. But regardless I shouldn't have to explain myself.

gewecke · #20 (**permalink**) 09-04-2012, 8:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KC2OBW

I wasn't fishing for violators. I was doing a search of the gmrs band being that I plan on putting up a gmrs repeater and wanted to see what freqs are not used, so it was more of something I stumbled on while searching the gmrs band. But regardless I shouldn't have to explain myself.

I agree.

73,
n9zas