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Old 06-20-2014, 10:07 AM
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Default FCC Rejects GMRS Petition

MARK FRIEDLANDER. Dismissed the Petition for Rulemaking. Action by: Deputy Chief, Mobility Division, Wireless Telecommunications Bureau by LETTER. (DA No. 14-860). WTB

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/at...A-14-860A1.doc

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Old 06-20-2014, 10:19 AM
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As it should have been. I think the FCC is correct that Amateur Radio and GMRS are two different radio services and should be kept separate.

The reasoning behind the proposed rule change could open up a Pandora's Box for the rest of the radio spectrum. Why stop at GMRS? Amateur Radio has frequencies in all parts of the spectrum, so using the reasoning in the request, we should also be able to use CB, MURS, Public Service, Marine, and Aviation frequencies with our (modifed) ham radios. I mean, CB is right below 10 Meters, Marine and MURS are just above 2 Meters, and we all know that the whacker community would love to get their hands on legal use of Public Service frequencies.

Getting into GMRS legally isn't hard. Buy a license and buy certified GMRS equipment. Sure, plenty of people would like to do it the easy way (and some already do illegally) by using their ham radios on GMRS (or other radio services), but the easy way isn't always the right way to do something.

I did get a laugh out of the comment that said "...with no practicable way for the Commission to monitor and enforce regulatory compliance for these devices", considering that the FCC is already doing such a poor job of enforcing the rules of GMRS with the legal sale of hybrid FRS/GMRS radios and Chinese handhelds that transmit all across VHF/UHF and are being used on GMRS.

So, I guess the FCC still says that using your ham radio on GMRS isn't legal. How about that.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:14 AM
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A US Federal agency remarkably makes the right decision occasionally.

Now on to 14313 kHz and the big fat revenue stream just waiting there for the taking.
Houses, cars, retirement savings.
Do I hear GARNISH?
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Now on to 14313 kHz and the big fat revenue stream just waiting there for the taking. Houses, cars, retirement savings. Do I hear GARNISH?
Not sure what you are referring to OM. R U referring to K1MAN?
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Old 06-21-2014, 8:36 AM
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Never ceases to amaze me how some in the GMRS crowd want to morph the service into ham radio.

Here's a novel idea: get your ham ticket.

with a General class license, you can use more bands and modes, interconnect what you want, use any radio you want, and legally run power levels of a small broadcast station (though you should always use the minimum power needed for communications).

Another "change the rules just for me" that was rightfully shot down in short order.
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Old 06-21-2014, 8:51 AM
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Ridiculous.

There's no reason not to allow it. They allow modded ham rigs on MARS nets or CAP before they were digital. Passing traffic for a KC-135 is a bit more important than shooting the BS on some GMRS repeater yet the world hasn't ended.
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Old 06-21-2014, 9:56 AM
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A better proposal would have been to allow Part 90 equipment on GMRS.
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:25 AM
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Ridiculous.

There's no reason not to allow it. They allow modded ham rigs on MARS nets or CAP before they were digital. Passing traffic for a KC-135 is a bit more important than shooting the BS on some GMRS repeater yet the world hasn't ended.
Very good reasons not to allow it, and as a ham you should know the technical reasons why.

The next poster after you has the right idea. Part 90
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:26 AM
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A better proposal would have been to allow Part 90 equipment on GMRS.
Absolutely! Technical standards met, and revise the power setting rules for the service.

The FCC has a list of specific Part 90 equipment that is presently legal to use.

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A better proposal would have been to allow Part 90 equipment on GMRS.
Which was likely more the point of the petition, as dumb as the petition was anyway.

Now here's one from left field for all of ya:

Take a look at CB Rule 1. See the long list of radio services there, listed as service "a" through "g"?

There's going be a new one in, I would say, less than 18 months. It will be letter "h".

Hint: It's not GMRS. Yes, it will be a CB Radio Service.
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Since you're in the know, care to share details?
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TVTechnology: Breaker, Breaker: FCC Proposes 150 MHz for CB Radio

Of course Breaker, Breaker has little to do with it, still, it is CBRS.
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Here's a novel idea: get your ham ticket.

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No...please....DON'T get "your" ham tickets !!! stay right where you are kids ! please....stay right where you are.....
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there is a GMRS repeater on a mountain in a farming town nearby. They just rag chew like you would hear on 2 Meters.
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I'm not sure where the FCC plans to get spectrum anywhere on VHF high band that is not either already filled or too valuable to commercial interests to reallocate for hobby use.
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I'm not sure where the FCC plans to get spectrum anywhere on VHF high band that is not either already filled or too valuable to commercial interests to reallocate for hobby use.
It's not - "The commission proposed rules for the Citizens Broadband Radio Service in a Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking that advances the commissionís efforts to meet the growing demand for spectrum by proposing to make 150 MHz available in the 3.5 GHz band."
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Very good reasons not to allow it, and as a ham you should know the technical reasons why.

The next poster after you has the right idea. Part 90
Still doesn't negate the point of my post. Why on earth would modded hammy stuff be allowed to operate with such sensitive services if this is so dangerous? It doesn't seem to correlate.

I agree part 90 is the best solution though.
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I think they should just make GMRS a license free UHF CB.
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No, do not make it license-free. Get rid of the hybrid FR/GMRS bubble packs, and get rid of the unlicensed users in the GMRS.
if it goes license-free, IMO it most likely will also get watered down. No repeaters, lower power limits, and more congestion.
Enforce the current regulations.
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I think they should just make GMRS a license free UHF CB.
That is what the Family Radio Service (FRS) is designed as.
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