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Old 09-08-2017, 11:24 AM
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No, it does not, that is simply made up. Operation is manipulating the controls of the station to ensure compliance with the rules. Communicating messages is a different function as seen in 95.171. If they were the same thing there would be no reason to have two different operator duties in that rule; and there would be no reason to say interconnection is limited to remote control and no other purpose -- because what other purpose would there be?
You are getting Control operator and station Operation conflated. There is no requirement for a GMRS station Control operator. GMRS stations may be operated under automatic control.


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GMRS stations may be operated under automatic control.
Which has nothing to do with connecting the station to the Internet for audio. The rule allows interconnection for the sole purpose of control only and no other purpose. If that didn't matter, it wouldn't say "sole" purpose. They are making clear, here and elsewhere, that communications over the network link aren't permitted.

The inquiry to the FCC did not mention what the interconnection to the Internet was for, and so the response did not mention that either. We already know that interconnection for remote control is allowed, even via the Internet. So the email is of no value on this subject.

Instead, I suggest that you apply the principle they apply at the FCC: "The rules mean what they say."
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"Instead, I suggest that you apply the principle they apply at the FCC: "The rules mean what they say."

Excellent advice. Exactly what I intended to do all along!

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That is not at all what 95.1749 prohibits. 95.1749 prohibits telephone (PSTN) interconnection. See also 95.1745.Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk
95.141 Interconnection prohibited. No station in a GMRS system may be interconnected to the public switched telephone network except as and in accordance with the requirements and restrictions applied to a wireline control link (see 95.127).

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except as and in accordance with the requirements and restrictions applied to a wireline control link(see 95.127).

Oh heck
95.127 stated that that any equipment utilized must be Part 68 compliant, it did not say you couldn't use equipment to connect to the PSTN for wireline control. In other words, the equipment must meet the standards that protect workers on the PSTN from unsafe conditions.

The bigger part of this is that 95.127 has been removed. Since there are no longer any "requirements and restrictions" the question is does the section still apply, and if so in which way? Does the removal remove the fact that the equipment has to be Part 68 compliant? Does the fact that the governing section no longer exists nullify this entire subordinate section? Does the lack of a governing section mean that everything after "Public Switched Telephone Network" doesn't apply and should have been removed when 95.127 was removed?

There is a lot of gray area that the FCC created when they removed 95.127 without addressing subordinate sections.
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95.127 stated that that any equipment utilized must be Part 68 compliant, it did not say you couldn't use equipment to connect to the PSTN for wireline control. In other words, the equipment must meet the standards that protect workers on the PSTN from unsafe conditions.

The bigger part of this is that 95.127 has been removed. Since there are no longer any "requirements and restrictions" the question is does the section still apply, and if so in which way? Does the removal remove the fact that the equipment has to be Part 68 compliant? Does the fact that the governing section no longer exists nullify this entire subordinate section? Does the lack of a governing section mean that everything after "Public Switched Telephone Network" doesn't apply and should have been removed when 95.127 was removed?

There is a lot of gray area that the FCC created when they removed 95.127 without addressing subordinate sections.
I agree. The PSTN was the entire subject of the prohibition and the PSTN is becoming obsolete and the concept of long distance tariffs largely no longer exist.

However this is now moot since 95.141 and 95.127 were contained in the old rules , are obsolete and only provide a historical perspective.

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For those still confused about the concept of remote control. From the USPTO:

"Remote control of mobile radio system through portable radio system"


http://www.google.com/patents/US20110111791



http://patentimages.storage.googleap...512-D00004.png

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