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Old 04-30-2014, 1:17 PM
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I've heard the radio techs on the Pasadena site talking about moving links and a ton of troubleshooting over the last two days.
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Old 04-30-2014, 1:23 PM
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I've heard the radio techs on the Pasadena site talking about moving links and a ton of troubleshooting over the last two days.
Thanks for the info Nick. Yesterday I monitored (Culver City) much of the day and heard nothing out of the norm, so I didn't have any reason to look into things. I visit RR.com only once or twice a week as a rule, and of course right away if I have a problem, or think there is a problem.

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Old 04-30-2014, 1:38 PM
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A little more info (in front of pc now, instead of on my phone at the store). Yesterday I heard them mention the Beverly Hills site specifically, but I didn't catch any details, but I do know at one point they were talking about temporarily moving specific talkgroups around so they could get some work done.
I listen almost exclusively to the Pasadena P25 site. Sounds like they're having some T1 issues between sites.
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A little more info (in front of pc now, instead of on my phone at the store). Yesterday I heard them mention the Beverly Hills site specifically, but I didn't catch any details, but I do know at one point they were talking about temporarily moving specific talkgroups around so they could get some work done.
I listen almost exclusively to the Pasadena P25 site. Sounds like they're having some T1 issues between sites.
Today theyre doing all sorts of things taking sites off the air and testing. Sounds like they are mapping the system to update documentation. Not everything they have done has had good effects for users. Verdugo Fire who i am listening to is having trouble with users not being able to be herd by dispatch but i could hear them loudly.

There is also a lot of inference on this specific talkgroup throughout the system. I have heard a lot of staticcy transmissions after people talk on the channel. I heard Verdugo dispatch tones on the channel also, so it seems like everyone is involved.
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Today theyre doing all sorts of things taking sites off the air and testing.
I can tell you today, since I've been listening, 0900 - now 1400, its nearly impossible to monitor CCPD / CCFD (GRE PRS800). I contacted a friend, also in Culver City, who has the new Uniden 436 and it is the same for him.

I have to guess that dispatch and units in the field are NOT hearing things like we are with scanners. There would be no way to conduct operations if this was your radio quality.

I hope this goes away????
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Old 04-30-2014, 4:16 PM
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Just now, dispatch (CCPD) is asking ALL units to use "Culver Access" for radio traffic, this is an ANALOG freq. 484.2500 CTCSS 123.0

So, I guess radio quality was bad for them too?!?!?!
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Old 04-30-2014, 5:31 PM
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Is it possible the heat could be the culprit? I ask because I read notes from an ICIS meeting (quite a while back) that mentioned a problem caused by high temps. It was remedied and (if I remember correctly) suggestions were made to avoid this situation in the future.

Also, I heard an encrypted TG (2587) on the P25 Glendale site. I don't see it listed in the DB.
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The Glendora site appears to now be in use. I first noticed the change on tuesday morning. Glendora PD is coming through with digital voice on their VHF channel. It appears to be a patch channel that is only temporary because the cadets and CSOs don't all have the new radios. The patch is interesting because the units come through with a significant delay, as in about the first 3 seconds of their transmission doesn't come through , but the dispatch doesn't. Also the patch seems to have an unusually low volume.
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Be on the look out for new TalkGroups on the Glendora site.

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Old 05-09-2014, 1:45 AM
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I'm hearing Burbank PD on TG #02164 on the Pasadena cell. This particular TG is not listed in the DB. I should mention that Burbank PD is also broadcasting on their main TG as well(#02161).

Also in addition to Glendora, Glendale's P25 is a bit active as of this writing. I'm hearing an encrypted TG (#02631 (not listed in DB)).
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As of this late afternoon into this evening / early morning, it seems the patch has been turned off. I'll have to ask my people over there as to why that is, because I doubt they already got the radios for the cadets/CSOs, but who knows?

@Rananthony04, are you hearing Glendora? I heard a rumor that the system was going to be encrypted.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:06 AM
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Don't forget the conversion across systems.

2164 = 34624 - in Db already as Burbank PD 4

2631 - New block of TG. I noted testing a few weeks back.
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:43 PM
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Don't forget the conversion across systems.

2164 = 34624 - in Db already as Burbank PD 4

2631 - New block of TG. I noted testing a few weeks back.

@LAflyer, My apologies. Certain aspects about these systems are French to me (i.e, the conversion across systems). I'll pay more attention from now on.

@Amtrack, I have not heard Glendora (via ICIS) nor have I heard the digital VHF (yet). I hope what you heard is just a rumor about the encryption FFS!
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Old 05-13-2014, 3:05 PM
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Just heard someone on TG 2126 listing TAC frequencies for the "Laguna IC"
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:36 AM
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Found out City of Santa Monica applied for grant funding and if awarded would be utilized towards development of regional interop communications system and named joining ICIS as the goal.
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This just popped up this morning... P25 encrypted UHF

"Glendora City News

The Glendora Police Department recently began implementing a new communications system that will eventually allow improved communication with area agencies.

A Joint Powers Agency was established with the police departments of Glendora, Azusa, Covina, Irwindale, West Covina and La Verne. The Glendora Police Department has spearheaded the project, which upgrades analog communication devices to digital with the possibility of implementing encrypted communication.

The cities in the East San Gabriel Valley Regional Communications Network Joint Powers Authority will share the cost of implementation, maintenance and service.

The project has been in the works for roughly the past two years and is largely the work of former Glendora Police Chief Rob Castro.

Glendora received a $2 million grant from the 2010 State Homeland Security Grant Program for the design and construction of the UHF system, which will become part of the larger Interagency Communication Interoperability System (ICIS).

Glendora began implementing their new radios May 6 on an encrypted frequency.

The remaining five police departments have yet to implement the new equipment, with the project vendor concentrating on Glendora first.

The move to digital is largely a user-driven effort to increase efficiency and broadcast strength.

In an interview with Joe Ward, Glendora Police captain, the upgrade is crucial in order to seek improved interoperability—or the compatibility between communication systems—with other cities and to improve communication between Glendora officers as well.

"Based on the old system, we had numerous dead spots in Glendora where officers could not transmit," Ward said, adding that communication in the mountain areas was especially difficult.

Since implementing the new equipment, reception has improved greatly, Ward said.

Th necessity to move to digital was greater due to further limitations placed on Glendora's system after upgrading to meet the Federal Communications Commission's narrowbanding mandate, which required agencies to operate on smaller areas of the broadcast spectrum.

The other five cities in the Joint Powers Agency were largely chosen due to their proximity to Glendora and because these agencies provide Mutual Aid for each other frequently, Ward said.

With some agencies still using analog and some upgrading to digital, compatibility issues will arise. Ward said that the department will have to constantly be aware of this problem and such an issue has not been perfectly solved in California yet.

Captain Nick Paz of La Verne Police agrees.

"It's improved a little bit, I don't think it's where everybody wants it to be yet. Some of the agencies don't have digital, so we can't talk with them. But it's getting there," Paz said in a 2013 interview.

El Monte, Alhambra, Pomona, San Marino and Pasadena, to name a few, are digital, with the latter three a part of the ICIS.

Some have expressed concern that encryption leaves news reporters and concerned citizens lagging behind when seeking information on city crimes.

Pasadena created controversy two years ago when the Police Department encrypted their transmissions, making police calls impossible to listen to.

Citing officer safety issues, Pasadena Police stated they are not out to avoid detection. The Pasadena Star-News was denied the ability, however, in March 2012 to gain access to real-time police transmissions.

La Verne, while digital, only encrypts tactical broadcasts, leaving standard calls open, Captain Paz said.

Captain Ward also reiterated officer safety issues regarding encryption, adding that especially in narcotics cases, criminals are often found with police scanners.

While Glendora Police has not yet made a final decision on whether to permanently institute encryption, the department is leaning towards it.

"We understand concerns of people wanting to be informed and we'll continue to cooperate. We'll continue to provide as much information as we can to the press, but it's hard to get around the officer safety advantages that we have with encryption," Ward said."
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Found out City of Santa Monica applied for grant funding and if awarded would be utilized towards development of regional interop communications system and named joining ICIS as the goal.
Makes sense since they are fully encrypted for LE and all the surrounding agencies are not except for Pasadena. They have been caught with their pants down a few times because they have not had interops with surrounding agencies when they really needed help.
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Has anyone confirmed that Glendora PD is encrypted?

I was providing the VHF feed to RR and don't mind upgrading equipment, but it doesn't sound like throwing $500 at it is going to get me anywhere.
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Has anyone confirmed that Glendora PD is encrypted?

I was providing the VHF feed to RR and don't mind upgrading equipment, but it doesn't sound like throwing $500 at it is going to get me anywhere.
Yes, Glendora PD is operating encrypted at this time.

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The problem I see for mutual aid / assist responders is this. If you are a patrol officer working Azusa police with encryption and a burglary suspect goes East on foothill blvd..and local Azusa units are looking for the suspect vehicle and they are unable to locate..... The Glendora officer with his scanner never hears the traffic / suspect vehicle possibly coming his direction due to encryption. I understand some dept. dispatch centers have departmental radios, but if dispatchers are busy they don't pay attention to it. This lack of communication to surrounding agencies causes "officer safety". Currently these two dept. can monitor San Dimas Sheriff which handles their unincorporated areas, near their borders. Now if the depts. are "E" LASO in the dark. So all dept.s (chp,laso, Feds,ect.) can not be on the same page. SCC would have to monitor from Eastern ave.(east LA) quite some distance with a portable....So in theory the LASO local desks would have to monitor traffic from local allied agencies. Keep in mind they handle all 911 calls. Nothing like going traffic on a speeder , finding out later that the driver just committed robbery and you were unable to hear your scanner on your patrol beat.
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