ICR 10 CIV Port

[mentor10]

I am trying to use Scancat Gold to communicate to my R10 through the CIV port and I am not having any luck. I am not sure if where the problem is. I made sure the cable and the com port are all working ok using a different program and a RS PRO95 scanner. I just can't seem to get this working. Is there any way to verify the ICOM is set up properly?

Thanks

[Fast1eddie]

I have ScanCat problems too, are your devices properly set and talking to each other??

[mentor10]

That's where I am not sure. I can't seem to be getting the ICR10 to respond. I am pretty sure I have it setup right and I know the cable is good. I'm just wondering if something could be wrong with the CIV port but I don't know what or how. Just looking for ideas.

[mentor10]

Here is an update. I found a program to do simple communication with the ICR10. It shows a comms windows. It is sending the following to the receiver: FE FE EE EF E0 18 91 00 00 FD

It never receives a response from the receiver. I have the CIV set at 52, the baud rate matches and I have tried the CIV TRN setting to both on and off. Anyone have any other ideas?

Thanks.

[Bill_White]

What cable are you using?
If you are using the OPC-478…
The data is on ring, center part, of the 1/8 stereo plug.
This will work on the R10 clone (speaker) jack as is.
The speaker / clone jack is stereo with audio on the tip and data on the ring.
Using the OPC-478 in the CIV port requires a stereo to mono adapter.
The CIV port is a stereo jack with the data on the tip and the ring is not used.
Most R10 owners use the ring for the discriminator output modification.
So, the difference between clone port and CIV port is the internal connection.
The clone port receives data from the ring and the CIV port from the tip.

[mentor10]

It is a ICOM CIV cable I got from ebay. It used to work. That is why I can't understand what is going on. I wonder if there could be some kind of problem with the CIV port on the receiver. I don't know what it could be though.

[Comint]

The IC-R10 has two CIV ports.

One on the right-hand side beside the DC socket, marked CIV.

And the second CIV port is via the SPKR socket.

Which CIV port are you trying to use.

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Comint

[mentor10]

I'm using the CIV port on the right hand side by the DC port.

[mentor10]

Is the mono plug version ok to use on the spkr port (which is stupid since I will get no sound.) or will I need a stereo to mono adapter? I just want to see if the CIV on the radio is working. This is really aggrivating!

[Comint]

Originally Posted by mentor10

It is sending the following to the receiver: FE FE EE EF E0 18 91 00 00 FD

That is just a general request asking any connected device (receiver or transceiver) for its Make / Version.

I'm using the CIV port on the right hand side by the DC port.

Strange as it may seem, genuine Icom CI-V cables do not work when used on that port, because of the cross-wiring mentioned previously.

Is the mono plug version ok to use on the spkr port (which is stupid since I will get no sound.)

Definitely NOT. The CI-V contact on the SPKR socket is via the RING, which a Mono plug does not have.

If you have a CI-V cable with a mono plug, it should work on the side port.

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Comint

[mentor10]

Ok then. I have checked everything I can think of. I am pretty sure the cable is ok because it works with a RS scanner just fine. I have the CIV set at 52, CIV TRN on and have made sure the baud rate is correct. I can only assume at this point there is something wrong with the CIV port. Would this probably be a safe assumption or is there another avenue to pursue?

Thanks to everyone for their help on this.

[Bill_White]

I don't know what your current baud rate is set at...
Try reducing it to 9600 or 4800.
Are you using Civtest as the "program to do simple communication"?
Software (Ekki, DF4OR)

[mentor10]

Actually I was trying a program called ICR10. Its just a little program from programming. I am trying this through a usb to serial adapter. Could that be the issue? It wasn't on the other scanner but then that is apples and oranges.

[Bill_White]

CSR10, the Icom cloning, DOS, program?
I believe the CSR10 does not support USB devices.

Try this programming sortware here:
BlakkeKatte's IC-R10 Software Page

[mentor10]

Actually, that is what I am using. This is so frustrating. I'm about to give up. I just wish I knew for sure where the problem was.

[Bill_White]

Also check the files section of the R10 yahoo group:
Icom_R-10 : Icom_R-10
I think there is "another" windows cloning program in there

Don't forget tk10 by Bob Parnass:
Robert S. Parnass, MS

[Comint]

Originally Posted by mentor10

Actually, that is what I am using. This is so frustrating. I'm about to give up. I just wish I knew for sure where the problem was.

I hate it when people ask for help, and leave out relevant information, such as the fact you are trying to use the CI-V cable via a USB adapter. That throws a whole lot of other potential problems into the mix.

CSR10 does not support USB adapters.

A genuine Icom CI-V cable is powered via the RS-232 port, and while some USB adapters (FTDI chipsets) support this feature, a lot don't.

Genuine Icom CI-V cables also have a reputation of not working properly on real RS-232 ports on Laptops (a laptop problem, NOT Icoms).

Just for information. I regularly use an IC-R10 to monitor a couple of MPT1327 Trunked Radio Networks, during my travels. The setup is: a Laptop with USB Adapter (FTDI chipset), an OPC-498 cable, an audio Y cable, and the R10. The 'Y cable' splits the stereo lead from the SPKR socket into a SPKR lead and a CI-V lead. I have been using this setup successfully for over three years.

From my experience, the maximum baudrate for consistent operation, is 9600.

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Comint

[mentor10]

Actually I tried with a hard wired serial port and usb adapter so I didn't intend to mislead. Sorry if you think I did. I appreciate the help.