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Old 04-04-2017, 8:48 PM
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Default IC-R8600 in Japan

Yes, introduced in Japan only for now.

Yamamoto Wireless Co., Ltd. is offering the IC-R8600 on Amazon Japan for 219000 Yen (JPY), which is about 1977 USD. MSRP is listed as 246240 JPY, which is about 2223 USD. That's an 11 percent discount.

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Old 04-05-2017, 1:50 AM
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Many folks say that a person should wait 6 months to a year for a new product to "mature" and for any bugs to be worked out and fixes to be made. While I am very excited about the features as they are presented in the operating manual, my feeling is to wait at least 3 months after mass distribution begins, especially here in the states. And I would definitely like to see more videos on YouTube, showing the receiver in it's various different modes (AM, FM, SSB, etc) and receiving on a variety of frequencies throughout its coverage range.
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Yes, introduced in Japan only for now.

Yamamoto Wireless Co., Ltd. is offering the IC-R8600 on Amazon Japan for 219000 Yen (JPY), which is about 1977 USD. MSRP is listed as 246240 JPY, which is about 2223 USD. That's an 11 percent discount.

Icom IC-R8600 on Amazon Japan

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I wonder if Icom is as particular as AOR is about repairing units here in the states that have been purchased overseas with the cellular bands enabled. AOR in Torrance California will not handle any repair (in or out of warranty) on any unit which is not approved for use here in the United States.
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Old 04-05-2017, 4:26 AM
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MStep, I don't think that Yamamoto Wireless ships to destinations outside of Japan, if that's what you're thinking of, young fellow.

If Icom waits say, a month or two, prior to introducing the IC-R8600 into international markets, perhaps it's so that their domestic users can find and report bugs and firmware updates can be issued before the radio is unleashed upon the world at large. If that actually happens, and I have idea whether it will, then those buyers in other parts of the world will be getting a better product. That could turn out to be a better approach than that taken by AOR with their AR-DV1 digital receiver.

As to the repair policy of Icom USA, I don't know, since neither of the Icom receivers that I've owned, both of which were ordered directly from Canadian dealers so as to get unlocked versions of the products, have ever needed any sort of repair or adjustment. Both were rock solid, as were all of the many Icom accessories that I've purchased over the years.

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Frank...who wonders whether someday there will be an IC-R9600 that includes some of the digital modes that weren't included with the IC-R8600, as well as a real physical numeric keypad. You know, the type with real push buttons. That I might save up for!
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Old 04-05-2017, 7:20 AM
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MStep, I don't think that Yamamoto Wireless ships to destinations outside of Japan, if that's what you're thinking of, young fellow.

If Icom waits say, a month or two, prior to introducing the IC-R8600 into international markets, perhaps it's so that their domestic users can find and report bugs and firmware updates can be issued before the radio is unleashed upon the world at large. If that actually happens, and I have idea whether it will, then those buyers in other parts of the world will be getting a better product. That could turn out to be a better approach than that taken by AOR with their AR-DV1 digital receiver.

As to the repair policy of Icom USA, I don't know, since neither of the Icom receivers that I've owned, both of which were ordered directly from Canadian dealers so as to get unlocked versions of the products, have ever needed any sort of repair or adjustment. Both were rock solid, as were all of the many Icom accessories that I've purchased over the years.

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Frank...who wonders whether someday there will be an IC-R9600 that includes some of the digital modes that weren't included with the IC-R8600, as well as a real physical numeric keypad. You know, the type with real push buttons. That I might save up for!
The idea of an updated Icom R9500 (to be named the R9600) has crossed my mind as well. Seems logical, depending on how well the 8600 does.
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Hello,

Years ago Deutsche Welle broadcasted DRM in stereo on 3995 Khz. Usually the signal was too weak for a good decode, but one night it was amazing getting music in stereo over HF. Both the IC-7300 (Acc) and IC-R8600 (RCA) have a 12 KHz IF output option. I wonder if the AF selection is discriminator output on NBFM. It is also interesting the manual mentions the AF/12KHz IF being available on the USB and LAN interfaces as well.

The AOR AR-Alpha has similar features, but no network connection. It has stereo audio outputs with a 12KHz IF mode using I/Q format. There is a USB connector that can output an 1 MHz or 300 KHz wide I/Q signal. I wrote a ExtIO driver so I could use HDSDR with the USB IQ output. It could be interesting what users could do with the USB I/Q and Network ports.

One of the "flaws" with an earlier Icom transceiver I considered was support for only up to 425 Hz shift for FSK. I noticed the IC-R8600 has 850 Hz shift, but the IC-7300 does not. It looks like Icom made a marketing decision not to provide 850 Hz shift on ham transceivers.

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Old 04-05-2017, 1:59 PM
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MStep, yes, an R9600, based strongly upon the current R9500 (must be rack-mountable!), with lots of digital modes added, of course, could be a killer radio even if the price wasn't all that user friendly.

By the way, where I wrote, "and I have idea whether it will", should have been, "and I have no idea whether it will". Sorry for the obvious error. It was late and I was suffering from caffeine (and sleep) deprivation.

Eric, a few years ago I purchased an Alinco DJ-X11K wideband receiver that has an I/Q output. It's a nice feature, and not, at least to my knowledge, commonly found in portable handheld radios.

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Old 04-05-2017, 8:58 PM
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In the past Icom have released in Japan, then Asia/Oceania, Europe and finally the US (at least for receivers). We can probably expect something similar this time around.
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Hello,

I would find the service manual for the IC-R8600 very interesting as it would give more detail on implementation. It will also be interesting if anything could be done with firmware mods.

I wonder how the 10.7 MHz Output is generated. It is similar to my AOR AR-5000 and seems to be a "legacy" output so older spectrum scopes and decoders can be used. There is no direct 10.7 MHz IF. HF is direct sampled and VHF & Above use IFs down to 46.35 MHz.

The older DSP based commercial HF receivers I have regenerates their SMO/IF Output by taking the digital I/Q stream, converting it to analog, and mixing it with an oscillator at the desired IF frequency. One receiver uses a fixed IF frequency, and the other has a programmable 10 to 455 KHz, or 1.4 MHz oscillator. The bandwidth of the SMO/IF Output on the HF receivers is only 30 KHz or less, so the output is not as useful for band display. The IC-R8600 10.7 MHz output is likely regenerated.

NTP support is interesting as I run a time server on my network to keep things in sync. Hopefully the RS-R8600 PC software with be inexpensive as the network connection opens up some interesting possibilities.

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If only it wasn't touchscreen, or Icom implemented something so people like me who are blind could use it as well?


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Hello,

There are a number of hard controls, an option for a full keyboard, and speech output with a number of options. I have no idea if the receiver is blind-friendly enough.

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Pardon me if this was already done by others that I did not see reading in this thread, but I called Icom America directly just now, and a guy in sales said quote-"The 8600's release will happen in June shortly after the Hamvention, and pricing will be similar to the 8500". Just letting everyone know what Icom claims.
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...an option for a full keyboard....
Eric, the display panel of the IC-R8600 offers a choice between a "Full Keyboard" and a "Tenkey" keyboard, but both of these appear visually on the built-in LCD touch panel. I don't see any way to attach a real (physical) keyboard directly to the receiver itself. The rear panel doesn't include a PS/2 connector, or a USB connector that's described as being for that purpose.

I get the feeling that it would be necessary to connect the radio to a computer and then use the computer's keyboard (and mouse or other pointing device) to control the radio. This method would involve use of Icom's optional and yet-to-be-released RS-R8600 remote control software, or third party equivalent.

Some of Icom's higher-end amateur transceivers, such as the IC-7851, support the direct attachment of a USB keyboard so as to utilize ham radio digital modes such as PSK31 and PSK63 without the need for a computer, but I don't see any such capability on the IC-R8600.

Did I miss something in my reading of the specs?

Yaesu offers an external 12-key model FH-2 Remote Control Keypad, shown below, for use with some of its radios, but even that doesn't include a full set of zero-thru-nine numeric keys, although something similar, with all digits plus a decimal point, would be a great accessory for the IC-R8600, in my opinion. Ideally, it would also have Up/Down keys and the ability to switch between direct frequency entry and entry of a memory channel number.

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Nice set of photos on Ham Radio Reviews .

https://www.hamradioreviews.eu/2017/...on-infoimages/

Why so many frequency gaps ?

As shown on Universal Radio Site

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Old 04-08-2017, 8:05 PM
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Why so many frequency gaps ?
Those aren't frequency gaps. The ranges shown on the Universal Radio site are the guaranteed frequency ranges, the ones for which the published performance levels are guaranteed.

The radio is designed to provide continuous coverage from 10 kHz thru 3 GHz, and most versions of the radio sold will offer that full coverage with the usual exception of the USA consumer version where two pieces of the 800 MHz band, used by cellular phones, are blocked, and the French version which has several frequency ranges blocked.

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When will the IC-R30 be released? What will the frequency range be?


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That's the $64000 question at the moment!
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