Question about SAME weather receivers

[IndyRick]

Hey, all, I hope this isn't too far off topic. I'm looking for a weather radio, and I'm curious if y'all have any experience with them?

I'm specifically interested in the SAME message decoding. The bulk of the ones I've seen have a very simple display, that say watch, warning, or whatever the case may be. Do any of them have a more complete display? I'd be curious as to what, if anything, y'all use.

Thanks,
Rick

[rdale]

More complete as in what? A SAME message only contains type of warning, county it's valid for, and time.

[IndyRick]

Thanks for the clarification...I think I was confusing SAME messaging with Weather Bulletins! Thanks!

[w8fcc]

Originally Posted by rdale

More complete as in what? A SAME message only contains type of warning, county it's valid for, and time.

Thats not true I get a lot of messages through the S.A.M.E not just watch warning info or time I also get AMBER ALERTS and all the INFO with it and any other info the weather service puts out.

Uniden makes a good one Mod# WX100 also Radio Shack and Uniden scanners have S.A.M.E on them and display what ever the weather service puts out. Yes much of the time it is simple Watch or warrning but in some cases it is more if the type of radio can pick them up or decode it.

[IndyRick]

Hmmm. I'll check out that Uniden model, thanks

[rdale]

Originally Posted by w8fcc

Thats not true I get a lot of messages through the S.A.M.E not just watch warning info or time I also get AMBER ALERTS and all the INFO with it and any other info the weather service puts out.

The part that is displayed on the radio (the actual SAME message) can only contain the type of product, the county(ies) it is valid for, and the time. That is all.

I'm not sure if you are just messing around or didn't understand what we're talking about, but the SAME message only contains the above information.

[w8fcc]

Originally Posted by rdale

The part that is displayed on the radio (the actual SAME message) can only contain the type of product, the county(ies) it is valid for, and the time. That is all.

I'm not sure if you are just messing around or didn't understand what we're talking about, but the SAME message only contains the above information.

Not messing around it will do more info if that info is sent on the WX100 say of an Amber Alert is issed it will come out with the warning sound then on the Display it will either say Amber Alert Tune To Local TV or if broadcast and often it is it will show the Amber Alert info such as childs name and so on. On watches or Warnings it will show what ever the Local Weather service issues or puts in that Alert most of the time it will say Sever Storm warning or watch High wind Warning and so on or on the weekly test the Displays says "Weekly Test" and has a count down time. If they so chose and have it will show more info.

[Viper43]

RDALE,
You claim to be a "meteorologist" then you'd know about these codes!
Better read up, this is straight off the NOAA site:



Non-Weather Related Emergency Messages
For non-weather emergencies, NWS activates the system at the request of local and/or state officials. NWS does not initiate the contact or the message. Local or state officials provide text information about the non-weather hazard directly to the local NWS offices. NWS offices set up agreements to speed the process, since minutes make a difference. In most areas, the local or state Office of Emergency Management or Preparedness, civil defense, police or mayor/commissioner sets up linkages to send messages on systems such as the EAS and NWR. Other references to broadcasting "all-hazards" emergency messages on NOAA Weather Radio:

All Hazards NOAA Weather Radio (NWR) fact sheet, 6/23/04
AMBER Alerts and the National Weather Service fact sheet, 6/23/04
NOAA Weather Radio brochure, May 1999 (see page 2)
Station locations and total number of transmitters are available online
Interagency publication entitled Saving Lives With an All-Hazard Warning Network
Effective Disaster Warnings, A November 2000 report on public and private sector R&D capability to provide early warning of natural or technological hazards that threaten the safety of the Nation.


and: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/resource...allhazards.pdf

And if you program the All Hazard codes into your scanner/programmable weather radio you would hear these messages as well.

V

Originally Posted by rdale

The part that is displayed on the radio (the actual SAME message) can only contain the type of product, the county(ies) it is valid for, and the time. That is all.

I'm not sure if you are just messing around or didn't understand what we're talking about, but the SAME message only contains the above information.

[rdale]

Originally Posted by Viper43

RDALE,
You claim to be a "meteorologist" then you'd know about these codes!

And if you program the All Hazard codes into your scanner/programmable weather radio you would hear these messages as well.

I am a meteorologist and I know about the codes... Nobody is questioning whether you can HEAR those messages, we know that can happen. The OP asked about it DISPLAYING THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION (such as towns impacted / child's description / spotter reports / etc.) on the screen and that is not done by ANY weather radio because the SAME codes just include TYPE OF PRODUCT, AREA IMPACTED, VALID TIME.

You can copy-n-paste all you want, if it makes you feel better, but you're still wrong. It does not display that information on the screen.

[Viper43]

RDALE,

AGAIN, your WRONG..... try this on for size:

Midland:
Straight from the PDF owners manual found here on PAGE 9: http://www.midlandradio.com/comersus...idProduct=3105

9 www.midlandradio.com
Multiple S.A.M.E. County Codes:
Press “MENU” button to open menu options.
• Press the “UP” arrow to scroll through menu options until “S.A.M.E.
SET” is displayed, then press “SELECT” button.
• Press the “UP” arrow to scroll through: “SINGLE”, “MULTIPLE”, or
“ANY.”
• Display “MULTIPLE” as explained, then press “SELECT”.
“S.A.M.E.01” will be displayed, indicating you will be programming your first
S.A.M.E. County Code at weather radio menu location “01.”
• After programming your first S.A.M.E. County Code, press “SELECT” then
the “UP” arrow to advance to “S.A.M.E. 02.” Program all of your S.A.M.E.
County Codes in the same way as above.
• When finished entering all your codes, press “MENU” to
close the programming menu.
Choosiing an Allerrtt Type ((DIISPLAY,, VOIICE,, OR TONE))::
1. Press “MENU” button to open menu options.
2. Press “UP” arrow to scroll through menu options until “ALT TYPE” (Alert
Type) is displayed, then press “SELECT” button.
3. Press “UP” arrow to scroll through the following (3) alert types: “DISPLAY”,
“VOICE”, or “TONE”.
4. Press “SELECT” to choose the Alert Type you want.
5. Press “MENU” to exit menu programming mode.
Allerrtt Type Descrriipttiion off Tone Patttterrn
DISPLAY
When the DISPLAY alert type is chosen, only
a text alert will scroll on the display. There
will be no audible alarm.
VOICE
When the VOICE alert type is chosen, the
alert will sound for 8 seconds, then you will
hear the voice of the weather broadcast for 5
TONE
When the TONE alert type is chosen, the
alert tone will sound for 5 minutes, or until
you press any button except the “WEATHER/
SNOOZE” button which toggles to the
voice weather broadcast.

Notice it says DISPLAY ONLY...... hmmmmm, odd, I get descriptions etc on the screen........not full details but enough...

V

[rdale]

Understood. You get a description of the warning type, the area it covers, and the time it expires.

You do not get the storm motion, a description of the car seen driving away from the house, or the level the river is expected to get to. That information is not transmitted as part of SAME.

Am I the only one who thinks this is going in circles?

[Viper43]

RDALE

your the one going in circles...... but we've come to expect that and just consider the source.

V

[brentoli]

Viper...
Have you ever seen what you get with a real SAME decoder. The kind used on the EAS systems broadcast outlets use. You get the raw data stream at the top. The decoder prints out on the paper: County names, Type of alert, Time alert is vaild for. THATS IT. It is **IMPOSSIBLE** for the current incarnation of EAS to provide any more information in the data stream.

[mdulrich]

An explaination of the LIMITED information that is transmitted.

http://www.weather.gov/nwr/resources/same.pdf

Mike

[brentoli]

A SAME transmitted data message consists of six possible elements in the following sequence:
1) Preamble
2) Header code
3) Warning Alarm Tone/Attention Signal
4) Voice Message
5) Preamble
6) End Of Message (EOM)

ZCZC-ORG-EEE-PSSCCC-PSSCCC+TTTT-JJJHHMM-LLLLLLLL-

A.2.4 "ZCZC". This header code block is the identifier, sent as ASCII characters ZCZC to indicate the start of the ASCII header code data transmission.
A.2.5 "-"(Dash). This "Dash" is sent following each type of information code block in the header except prior to the message valid time.
A.2.6 "ORG". The Originator header code block (ORG) indicates who initiated the message. The only originator codes are:
ORIGINATOR ORG CODE
Broadcast station or cable system EAS
Civil authorities CIV
National Weather Service WXR
Primary Entry Point System PEP
A.2.7 "EEE". The Event header code block (EEE) identifies the type of Event and information contained in the Voice message, if a Voice message is sent. Section 6 of this document lists the approved Event codes. The Event code may be sent with or without a WAT or Voice message as an alerting function only. It also may be sent as a control code for some NWR system control functions.
A.2.8 "PSSCCC". The Geographical Area header code block (PSSCCC) identifies the geographic area affected by the NWR SAME message. Each location code uniquely identifies a geographical area. A message may contain up to 31 Geographical Area blocks.
A.2.9 "TTTT". The Purge time header code block (TTTT) identifies the purge time of the message expressed in a delta time from the issue time in 15 minute segments up to one hour, then in 30 minute segments beyond one hour up to six hours; i.e. +0015-, +0030-, +0045-, +0100-, +0430-, +0600-. This delta time, when added to the issue time, specifies when the message is no longer valid and should be purged from the system, not to be used again. It is important to note that the valid or purge time of the message will not always equal the event expiration time. For most short-term events such as tornadoes and severe thunderstorms, the two times will most often be identical. For longer duration events such as a hurricane or winter storm that may not end for many hours or days, the valid time in the code only applies to that message, and is not an indicator when the threat is over. This block is always preceded by "+".
A.2.10 "JJJHHMM". This header code block identifies the Julian Calendar date and the time the message was originally disseminated in hours and minutes using the 24 hour Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) clock.

The above is from NOAA. I cut some out for brevity.
That header is the ***ONLY*** thing a SAME decoder can read. No where in there do you see a code for storm movement, vehicle description, or anything besides TIME, LOCATION, and TYPE.

http://www.weather.gov/directives/010/pd01017012c.pdf

[rdale]

Originally Posted by Viper43

RDALE

your the one going in circles...... but we've come to expect that and just consider the source.

Source considered.

[scannerfreak]

Originally Posted by Viper43

RDALE

your the one going in circles...... but we've come to expect that and just consider the source.

V

That's how we all feel about you.

Let me say this, Rob has 100 times the knowledge and credibility on this site then you will ever have. Now that you have been proven wrong, yet again, I'm sure you'll do like you normally do and disappear from the thread.