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bamx2 · #41 (**permalink**) 12-01-2012, 6:06 AM

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Originally Posted by goham

Before you go calling people out why dont you do some digging first take some time do research just becuase YOU dont see it or find it does NOT mean it is wrong info this might be just one of MANY NEW LAWS taking effect in 2012/2013 When I get more info or links I will post it but I do not need to waist my time because YOU cant seem to find out info your self. As stated this is just one change on Blue lights there are other law changes if you just look the info up.

HEA 1212 (PL80) S/3/15/2012 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/1/2012 Blue lights on vehicles

LoHouse Bill 1208 introduced changes in the blue light law for volunteer firefighters. On March 27, 2002, Governor Frank O'Bannon signed the bill and it became effective on that date. Listed below are the modifications and additions made to the law.
1.Lights may be used while en route to scenes of emergencies or to the fire station.

2.A light is only required to have a source of at least 35 watts, instead of 50 candlepower.

3.Lights may now be placed on the (i) top of the vehicle, (ii) the dashboard inside, shielded to prevent distracting the driver OR (iii) front of the vehicle upon the bumper or at bumper level.

4.No more than 4 light assemblies may be displayed on 1 vehicle and each assembly must be of the flashing or revolving type.

5.A blue light assembly may contain multiple bulbs.

6.Alternately flashing head lamps may be used as a supplemental warning device. Strobe lights or flashers may be installed into the light fixtures on the vehicle other than the alternating head lamps. The strobe lights or flashers may be either white or blue, with the exception of red to the rear.

7.If a member of a volunteer fire department violates the blue light law, the chief of the department shall discipline the firefighter under fire department rules and regulations.

Thank you for posting the old blue light law. The 2012 law you posted only pertains to Funeral Processions. It was put in place due to funeral escort businesses impersonating police officers in cars/uniforms. Has nothing to do with volunteer firemen.

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GTO_04 · #42 (**permalink**) 12-01-2012, 9:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bamx2

Thank you for posting the old blue light law. The 2012 law you posted only pertains to Funeral Processions. It was put in place due to funeral escort businesses impersonating police officers in cars/uniforms. Has nothing to do with volunteer firemen.

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That is so true! I notice this a lot in Marion County, and I've seen some reckless driving from them. But that is a whole different topic.

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W9NES · #43 (**permalink**) 12-05-2012, 8:58 PM

What about security guards that are not special deputies in Marion County. I saw one a week back on west 86Th street and Michigan Road that was working traffic for Indianapolis Power and Light. He was driving a old police car crown vic with red and blue lights in the back of the car and he had them on.He was not a police officer of any type. He was just setting in his car in no uniform.Car did not say POLICE or SECURITY on the car.I was told by a local IMPD officer that IMPD is *Looking for anyone running red and blue lights in the back of any car* The trigger to get pulled over is to have red and blue lights in the back of a car.

GTO_04 · #44 (**permalink**) 12-06-2012, 6:45 PM

I think, though I don't know for sure, that red/blue lights are legal on the back of the vehicle, but not anywhere else. I have seen security companies working traffic direction using cars with red/blue lights on the rear (amber in front) several times and they continue to keep doing it.

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KidClerk · #45 (**permalink**) 12-09-2012, 7:05 AM

I'm guessing no one was able to locate the specifics on the supposed new law change.

usswood · #46 (**permalink**) 12-10-2012, 3:11 PM

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Originally Posted by W9NES

Understand that starting Jan 1,2013 a new law will be on the books in Indiana.This will allow all volunteer fire fighters to use red lights and a siren on their pov's.Law was re-written becuase the general driving public does not know what a flashing blue light means in Indiana. The law will save lives and will allow all volunteers to assist the public more quickly and will allow them to get to a scene where they are needed.

almost sounds like a troll post doesn't it!

W9NES · #47 (**permalink**) 12-10-2012, 5:30 PM

Sorry but a LEO told me this in Metro Indianapolis/Marion County with IMPD. He is a cycle officer for traffic and this is what he heard. He should know.He was the one that got house bill 1212 passed and he was the one that was behind the law being re written. Also he used to be a vounteer firefighter.

dswarnke · #48 (**permalink**) 12-11-2012, 8:35 AM

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Originally Posted by W9NES

Sorry but a LEO told me this in Metro Indianapolis/Marion County with IMPD. He is a cycle officer for traffic and this is what he heard. He should know.He was the one that got house bill 1212 passed and he was the one that was behind the law being re written. Also he used to be a vounteer firefighter.

Sorry but you need to read HB1212. It has nothing to do with lights on POV's. This specifically addresses funeral escort vehicles. Please research your information before posting.

W9NES · #49 (**permalink**) 12-11-2012, 12:36 PM

I have read HB 1212. As I stated in my post that you did not understand***.The LEO that is on IMPD that is a cycle officer in the traffic branch was the one that got HB 1212 re-written***. HB 1212 has nothing to do with a red light being used by a volunteer firefighter.This is a seperate law that is to be on the books Jan 1,2013*** and the start of the new year in 2013. That red light law is what the IMPD officer told me about. If the law gets on the books it will be listed on the Indiana Volunteer Firefighters Association web site (IVFA). I was told by a contact with the IVFA that if this does become law in Indiana this will be listed on the IVFA web site. The IMPD cycle officer knows what he is talking about as he to was a volunteer firefighter and he had been running a blue light for years before he got employed as a full time LEO Law Enforcement Officer.

evfd1625 · #50 (**permalink**) 12-11-2012, 1:11 PM

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This is an excerpt from the November IVFA news letter:
" Jean also discussed House Bill 1212 which states that funeral escort vehicles cannot run blue lights on their vehicles and that they must be red lights. Some police officers think this applies to volunteer firefighters, but it does not."

W9NES · #51 (**permalink**) 12-11-2012, 1:32 PM

My contact has got his infomation direct from the Statehouse and the general assembly.His contact is vaild and the IMPD officer that got HB 1212 re written to cover funneral escort vehicles***.This is a new law that will cover volunteer firefighters all over the state of Indiana***. WHEN that law goes on the books it will be noted on the IVFA web site. ***You will not see anything until or after Jan 1,2013***

dswarnke · #52 (**permalink**) 12-11-2012, 2:11 PM

Well I heard from my brother's cousin's girlfriend who use to go out with a guy who knew someone who worked with a police officer who was on the scene of an accident who overheard two fireman talking about this being true.

usswood · #53 (**permalink**) 12-11-2012, 2:42 PM

Ok so in a nut shell, W9NES their is no NEW law, but a proposal on changing current law when the new legislative season starts up next year. Is this basically what you wanted to share? The law might change so keep a watch out.

W9NES · #54 (**permalink**) 12-11-2012, 3:49 PM

No, There is a new law and ***no proposal *** and after Jan 1,2013 the law will change how volunteer firefighters respond to a scene of a accident, ems call, or a call the the fire station to drive out a engine company or other equipment that is needed at a scene. ***The current blue light law is old and outdated.*** This law will be seperate law and has NOTHING to do with House Bill 1212 . This infomation is from the person that got HB 1212 on the books that is a active LEO and a fromer volunteer firefighter with Wayne Twp.(Marion County). You will hear nothing on this until Jan 1 ,2013 or after that date. Yes you do need to keep a EYE out when this happens. Thank You.

bamx2 · #55 (**permalink**) 12-11-2012, 6:17 PM

Tim.

You're wrong.

Research it yourself, you can see all the new laws on the Internet. Call the state department of Homeland Security.

You're wrong.

W9NES · #56 (**permalink**) 12-12-2012, 7:30 AM

Just to set the record straight this infomation was given to me from a State Senator who used to be a volunteer firefighter with Wayne Twp. Fire (Marion County) who is a current member of the Indiana House. When I called the Senator for for my district to get his view on another matter that was not related to this subject I asked him about the new red light law for volunteer fighters. I told him that I was not able to find any infomation on the new law on the internet, The Senator said that no infomation would be able on the intenet until after Jan 1,2013. Sorry if people do not beleve what I posted but when a Senator who is a member of the house tells you something you can believe it. He should know before anyone elese does. He is also a family friend that I known for a very long time.Thank You.

dswarnke · #57 (**permalink**) 12-12-2012, 7:44 AM

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Originally Posted by W9NES

people do not beleve what I posted

You are finally correct.

W9NES · #58 (**permalink**) 12-12-2012, 8:59 AM

Funny that you will not believe a State Senator who is a member of the Indiana House is the one that told me of this. When infomation is not found on the internet you ask someone who knows about goverment and the people who make Indiana law.All hoosiers can do this,It is making a telephone call to your local State, County, or Federal contacts.This is the reason why we vote in Indiana.

usswood · #59 (**permalink**) 12-12-2012, 2:30 PM

Tim,

Simply put, If a new law was passed this year, (which had to have been back in the spring) people would have heard about it when it was passed! New Laws are not secrets until they go into effect! They get advertised so people are aware of the up coming changes and can take necessary steps to prepare for the change! If no one has heard about it, then yes I have doubts about what a FORMER SS now House Member has said about this!

W9NES · #60 (**permalink**) 12-12-2012, 3:43 PM

usswood, I have many contacts that I made with others over the years while working for The state of Indiana from 1983-1985 at the Indiana State Office Building. When I need anything you just have to know who to call and get the infomation. The State Senator has been a very long time friend of my family for years after assisting him while he was involved in a car accident on Indiana state property that I was called to work the accident and take a report on the crash. He went to the hospital for a check out and had a car with a State Senate plate was towed to a wrecker tow lot on east michigan street. The car was totaled.