ALL digital by 2018?

[gotdigital]

I've read on several different websites that the FCC will require all two way radios by 2018 to operate in some type of digital mode. Any truth to this? Thanks!

[kma371]

Originally Posted by gotdigital

I've read on several different websites that the FCC will require all two way radios by 2018 to operate in some type of digital mode. Any truth to this? Thanks!

Doubtful. Provide links to the websites your talking about.

[nd5y]

Only Part 90 Public Safety 700 MHz systems on State License or General Use channels must use with 6.25 KHz emissions/equivalency by January 1, 2017.

[WA0CBW]

Using analog or digital really becomes a function of the bandwidth. In standard analog FM as the bandwidth becomes narrower the recovered signal to noise ratio becomes smaller as those who have narrow banded have already noticed. So when the FCC mandates going to 6.25 kHz you will probably see the end of analog FM radios.

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[gotdigital]

Get Your 2-Way Radios Ready - Article - Campus Safety Magazine

[KD2DLL]

Im going to say its not true because I can not find anything from the FCC about this.
In the article it states "The tentative date proposed by the FCC for the switch from analog to digital radios is 2018. The switch has not yet been mandated and this date is subject to change." So even if it is true, it is not 100% set yet.

[Alarms50]

At VHF/UHF Narrowbanding FAQs, FCC.Gov, the VHF/UHF Narrowbanding FAQ's state that there is no date set for 6.25MHz efficiency. So, the date in the article is wrong, because the FCC has not set a date.

[WA0CBW]

I would concur with the last several posts. The FCC has not issued any statements indicating a mandatory move to digital or even a date to go to 6.25kHz bandwidth. The FCC has issued a statement indicating it might be in licensees best interests to skip going to 12.5 kHz and go directly to 6.25 kHz. This would imply that at some future date the FCC will issue a deadline to narrowband everyone again to 6.25 kHz. As I stated earlier it will be difficult if not impossible to be analog at 6.25 kHz. So by default when the FCC issues the mandate to move to 6.25 kHz it will also mean going digital. We can only guess at when the FCC will make that announcement.

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[ff-medic]

Originally Posted by gotdigital

Get Your 2-Way Radios Ready - Article - Campus Safety Magazine

No - they are not getting rid of analog. Not everyone could afford a high priced digital handheld or mobile radio.

Analog becoming a thing of the past is hysteria, and conjecture.

My intepretation of the "articles" ( authors writings ) is all P25 radios must be narrowbanded by 2013 - CONFUSING with a capital "C". Someone is trying to muck up the water. P25, or analog radios, the frequencies are the same - All must comply with the narrowbanding, according to FCC regulations by the new year...Right. Article authors do not know what they are speaking of?

Alot of the articles information is confusing to me, based on my past reading and interpretation of the FCC mandate



Link - Nielson Communications - Wireless Communication Products

Discuss the Benefits of Both Narrowband Analog (12.5 kHz) and Digital (6.25)
At this time, the FCC Very Narrowband Mandate (VNB 6.25 kHz channel spacing) has not been finalized, nor has the date been set. The preliminary date had been 2018, but until the FCC goes forward you are free to choose.

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Link - APCO Project 25 Information page

this standard is known as APCO Project 25, APCO-25, or simply P25. The first step development of a common operating standard. It is called a Common Air Interface (CAI), which in layman's terms means that P25 radios from different manufacturers should be able to talk to each other. Further, APCO-25 defines a standard for migrating from the current bandwidth of 25 kHz to a reduced bandwidth of 12.5 kHz (this is known as narrow band) using FDMA digital technology in Phase 1 and TDMA in Phase 2 (more about this later). ..........The FCC originally proposed a requirement for all radios to operate on 6.25 kHz channels by 2018 with 25 kHz operation phased out by 2013. By FCC mandate, all radios built in the USA must be capable of operating at 6.25 kHz after January 1, 2011. The P25 standard incorporates this provision as Phase II.

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FCC Document - 19 pages. ----->http://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/docs/...rowbanding.pdf



FF - Medic !!!

[ff-medic]

Originally Posted by kma371

Doubtful. Provide links to the websites your talking about.

They did not. I seldom----- seldom do this, But not only due to their post - but alos their screen name, and with all the threads about "Analog is gone - digital is in the future" , I suspect troll.

They read on various websites - but did not post links or quotes.

Yep, I smell "T"roll.

FF - Medic !!!

[jeatock]

As Col. Sherman T. Potter would say, "Horse Hockey!"

Too bad that a substantial number of uninformed/uncaring/clueless agency managers will take that piece of poorly researched, biased reporting as gospel. Of course, if you see it on the Internet it has to be true, and a high commission earning "Major Account Executive" cannot be wrong.

Looking at the brand affiliation of Anton Johnson's employer explains a lot.

[rapidcharger]

They don't have to mandate it. I can see where it's all headed.
Give someone 30 minutes with a Motorola salesman and they'll be "upgrading" to digital in no time.
If you can con a hotel or office building with literally 2 talk groups into buying a smart zone trunking system then selling digital will be a snap.
At some point all the SMR trunking systems will be replaced with digital as the cost comes down too. Just you wait and see.

[mmckenna]

Originally Posted by gotdigital

Get Your 2-Way Radios Ready - Article - Campus Safety Magazine

Wow, what a poorly written and confusing article. It talks about interoperability, then jumps back and forth between P25 and NexEdge. I really wonder where they pulled the 2018 number out of. Considering it took 8 years of the current narrow banding mandate to get us to where we are now, with a lot of systems no where near being ready, I'm confused what made them think that everyone would need to go digital in another 6 years. Really disappointing when I see articles like this, it just creates problems.

[greenthumb]

Originally Posted by gotdigital

I've read on several different websites that the FCC will require all two way radios by 2018 to operate in some type of digital mode. Any truth to this? Thanks!

There is no such mandate in place at this time. The closest that any mandate comes to this is the 6.25 kHz (or equivalent) mandate in the 700 MHz band.

[SteveC0625]

Originally Posted by mmckenna

Wow, what a poorly written and confusing article. It talks about interoperability, then jumps back and forth between P25 and NexEdge. I really wonder where they pulled the 2018 number out of. Considering it took 8 years of the current narrow banding mandate to get us to where we are now, with a lot of systems no where near being ready, I'm confused what made them think that everyone would need to go digital in another 6 years. Really disappointing when I see articles like this, it just creates problems.

Actually, the 12.5 mandate took well over 16 years to accomplish. Wideband only radios were cut off in '96 or '97 which means that some of the planning and thinking on this whole thing orginated several years prior. The mandate itself was published in '04 but there had to be a whole bunch of steps taken prior to then to announce an enforceable plan.

[chrismol1]

narrowbanding was planned in the late 80's early 90's to be finished in somewhere around 2000! well thats the original plan, right ?HAHAHA
look how things are going
FCC mandate comes with unlimited extensions

[mmckenna]

Right, and don't forget the 800MHz rebanding that has been going on for almost a decade now.

[redneckcellphone]

Campus public safety needs to buy their own digital radio system to work with police radios? I definitely remember when I went to school about 5 years ago one of the security people carried around 2 radios. One digital and one analog.


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