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Old 02-16-2018, 7:47 PM
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Default LMCC letter to FCC about CCR problem.

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Land Mobile Communications Council LMCC Requests Meeting with Enforcement Bureau to Confront Use of Non-Rule Compliant Asian Wireless Devices
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Old 02-16-2018, 8:06 PM
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We can hope that the FCC/EB does something. You won't see me holding my breath, though.

Had someone using a few of these on a system I look after. Sounded like utter and complete crap. Mics were so hot they'd distort to the point of being unintelligible. Not running wide, just way too hot. Had to hold them at arms length to use them. Of course it was the repeaters fault.
Having those replaced with some respectable radios. I'm hoping the CCR's die a quick death, preferably involving fire and possibly a large hammer.
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Non rule-compliant Asian wireless devices, AKA cheap Chinese radios.
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Old 02-16-2018, 9:02 PM
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We can hope that the FCC/EB does something. You won't see me holding my breath, though.
I doubt it. The current FCC is so in bed with the wireless telecom cartels, LMR is considered ancient technology, they WANT it to die so the cartels can get the usable spectrum.

If allowing it to become chaos will accelerate this, they won't lift a finger to stop it.

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I'm hoping the CCR's die a quick death, preferably involving fire and possibly a large hammer.
The cat is so far out of the bag with literally millions of these turd radios in circulation, even if the "hammer were to drop", with so many in the hands of consumers, it would be a fruitless effort.
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I doubt it. The current FCC is so in bed with the wireless telecom cartels, LMR is considered ancient technology, they WANT it to die so the cartels can get the usable spectrum.

If allowing it to become chaos will accelerate this, they won't lift a finger to stop it.



The cat is so far out of the bag with literally millions of these turd radios in circulation, even if the "hammer were to drop", with so many in the hands of consumers, it would be a fruitless effort.
The FCC has been known to loft a heavy fine on importers and manufacturers who sell non compliant gear. We will see them sending a message in the near future. Hopefully they will also look at OET certification process and start disallowing the rubber stamping of dodgy products.
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This thread reminds me of gun control.
There are 300 million privately owned firearms in the US.
Now some folks talk about stopping sales of guns.
There's probably more CCR's in this country than there is hams.
Now some folks are talking about stopping sales of CCR's.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:56 PM
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This thread reminds me of gun control.
There are 300 million privately owned firearms in the US.
Now some folks talk about stopping sales of guns.
There's probably more CCR's in this country than there is hams.
Now some folks are talking about stopping sales of CCR's.
I am surprised the gun owners here are not more discerning about the quality of their communications gear than they are about their weapons. Imagine if some Chinese maker started selling 9 mm semi automatics made from recycled milk bottles and curtain rods.

Oh it happened....

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I am surprised the gun owners here are not more discerning about the quality of their communications gear than they are about their weapons. Imagine if some Chinese maker started selling 9 mm semi automatics made from recycled milk bottles and curtain rods.

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We are...its called any Hi-Point weapon ever made. Anyone besides thugs, hood rats and wanna be cartel MS13 gangsters wont touch them even with a ten foot pole
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I'm a newbie so please give me an example so I won't purchase one.
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I'm a newbie so please give me an example so I won't purchase one.

Anything with the following names:
Puxing
Baofeng
Pofung
Wouxon
Friedcom
Anytone
Tytera
Bearcom or any other radio that has a name that looks like it comes directly from mainland China.


And any other radio that is not:
Motorola
Harris
Tait
Kenwood
Hytera
Vertex
Icom
Yaesu
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I'm a newbie so please give me an example so I won't purchase one.
What is legal to use depends on what FCC licenses you hold and what FCC equipment authorization grants the radio has.

If you have no knowledge of the different FCC radio services, licensing requirements and equipment authorization requirements then stick with FRS bubble pack radios or MURS radios made or imported by reputable companies like Cobra, Dakota Alert, Garmin, Midland, Motorola, Ritron, and Uniden;
and avoid the manufacturers on this page: https://wiki.radioreference.com/inde...l_Transceivers
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Anything with the following names:
Puxing
Baofeng
Pofung
Wouxon
Friedcom
Anytone
Bearcom or any other radio that has a name that looks like it comes directly from mainland China.


And any other radio that is not:
Motorola
Harris
Tait
Kenwood
Vertex
Icom
Yaesu
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Don't forget GE/Ericsson/M A-COM/ COMNET lineage that are now Harris. They are reputable brands. Did I miss any?

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Don't forget GE/Ericsson/M A-COM/ COMNET lineage that are now Harris. They are reputable brands. Did I miss any?

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My bad, I forget they changed names more times than some hams change their underwear.


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What is legal to use depends on what FCC licenses you hold and what FCC equipment authorization grants the radio has.

If you have no knowledge of the different FCC radio services, licensing requirements and equipment authorization requirements then stick with FRS bubble pack radios or MURS radios made or imported by reputable companies like Cobra, Dakota Alert, Garmin, Midland, Motorola, Ritron, and Uniden;
and avoid the manufacturers on this page: https://wiki.radioreference.com/inde...l_Transceivers
So true. Any radio being considered should have an FCC ID which can be searched with Google or directly on FCC website. The "Grant" document reveals what FCC services and emissions the radio the radio compiles with. But, be careful, these CCR are sometimes certified incorrectly or with a sub optimal crappy modulation emission. The FCC certification process is being gamed by these importers.

If you don't want to spend the time researching this, stick to the FRS or MURS .

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I'm a newbie so please give me an example so I won't purchase one.
Any brand name you cannot pronounce.
Any price on a new radio that's too good to be true.
Any radio that gets a great review from someone that only owns one radio.
Any radio that cannot be repaired or aligned.
Any radio where it costs more to send it back to the manufacturer than it did to purchase it.
Any professional dual band portable radio that costs less than $4000.00 new.
Any radio with a built in flashlight.
Any radio sold as commercial/public safety that also receives FM broadcast.
Any commercial/public safety radio that purchased off Amazon.
Any radio that does not have valid FCC type certification.
Any radio that an amateur radio operator owns 6 or more of the same model.
Any new radio you can purchase in bulk off e-Bay or Amazon.
Any radio purchased off Alibaba.
Any radio that looks a lot like a name brand radio, but isn't.
Any commercial/public safety radio recommended by someone who's only credentials are that they passed a 35 question multiple choice amateur radio test.

I'm sure that list will offend some people.
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I'm sure that list will offend some people.

Lol. Yes it will. I would suggest they file a hurt feelings report into the G folder.



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Do not forget the altered firmware radios sold on EBAY as models that they did not come from the manufacture with. You know the ones I am talking about.
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Do not forget the altered firmware radios sold on EBAY as models that they did not come from the manufacture with. You know the ones I am talking about.


I edited my list to include Tytera(TYT) and Hytera(HYT)


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Any brand name you cannot pronounce.
...Any radio that gets a great review from someone that only owns one radio.
I've heard some very creative pronunciations of Yaesu, so you might be ruling them out. Also, seems that half the ham population can't spell Yaesu even when it's printed on the radio right in front of them.

At least one Chinese manufacturer of radios, particularly DMR radios, is actively soliciting positive reviews on Amazon. The deal is that if you buy the radio through Amazon and pay with Paypal and then post a positive review, the manufacturer/importer will refund all or part of your purchase price with a Paypal credit.
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I think Motorola Microwave might have had them beat. I used to joke they should use velcro instead of glue on the name plates.
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