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Old 07-17-2009, 03:53 PM
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Default Any inside info on KSICS in Lyon or Morris Counties?

Wondering if anyone has heard any talk of local PD's and SO's in Morris or Lyon county moving to KSICS?
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Old 07-17-2009, 04:54 PM
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Found this in some Commission Meeting Minutes from 2/4/2009:

"Motion: for Chairman Briggs to sign the Shared-User Agreement with the Kansas
Department of Transportation, allowing Lyon County to operate their communications
equipment on the State of Kansas’ 800 MHz digital P25 radio communication system."

It says for Lyon county to operate "their" equipment on the P25 system... wonder what that means exactly??

EDIT: Found this very interesting doc: http://www.ksafc.com/comm/MOTOBRIDGE-SOP-V1-0.pdf

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Operate "their" equipment is probably referring to radios that they already have, if they received 25 of the 800 digital radios that the rest of the counties around here have received. I believe they had to sign the user agreement before they could have those radios issued to them, however, maybe Lyon or Morris is looking at jumping on the digital system.
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Old 07-17-2009, 05:41 PM
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Did every county get 25 radios??
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All of the northeast KS area did, not sure about elsewhere.
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Old 07-17-2009, 06:10 PM
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Did a Google search for "KDOT 800 Shared-User Agreement"

Found that all counties in KS got a letter. Also found this which explains it:

"City Manager Jeff Morris addressed the Commission stating the State of Kansas uses 800
MHz digital radios for communication; they are the only ones authorized to use this
frequency. This agreement will allow the City to be able to utilize this frequency during
emergency situations by forming talk groups with other first responder entities in the
system. The system is not for routine communications and is limited for emergency use
only. The cost of installation and maintenance will be paid by the State of Kansas."

So it would seem all counties will have the ability to *access* the system but not all will completely convert to it.

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Yes, that is correct. Any agency can use it and can get their own talkgroups to use on the system, but are NOT required to.
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Lyon County had been experimenting with some EF Johnson portable radios- I heard some of the KDOT radio techs complaining about how poor they were compared to the Motorolas they usually work on. Remember, P-25 is an open architecture, any P-25 compliant 800 MHz radio should work on the system regardless of manufacturer.
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I've heard that the ONLY radios that will work on the system is EF Johnson or Motorola, since it is a Smartzone (Motorola) system. The only other manufacturer authorized to work on a Smartzone system is EF Johnson. Is this not correct? Our agency had looked at the Harris multi-band digital capable radios since we have UHF here as well, and were told that Harris radios are not authorized Smartzone radios, therefore they would not work on the KSICS.

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Old 07-18-2009, 11:50 AM
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I seem to remember hearing that Lyon county had some aversion to Motorola for some reason.
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I noticed that their deputies carry Kenwoods and have Kenwoods in their cars. I just figured that they were just supporting a local dealer.
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Old 07-18-2009, 06:32 PM
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I read some minutes of some sort of city meeting when they were putting in the current system back in 2003 I think... (to the tune of $700K). In those minutes it said they didn't want to use Motorola as they were pushing there 800 MHz trunked systems and the guys in charge in Emporia did not want a 800 MHz trunked system.

After spending that much money just in the last 6 years on radio equipment, I can't imagine they would be able to spend a ton to now convert to P25, even with fed funds.

Found it: http://www.emporia.ws/minutes.nsf/32...c?OpenDocument

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(Emergency Radio System Replacement)

Police Chief Mike Heffron was recognized and addressed the Governing Body. Chief Heffron stated he was appearing before the Commission to discuss emergency radio system replacement. He stated the current walkie-talkie and mobile units used by the Police Department were purchased in the 1980's and parts for them are no longer available. He stated his department purchased radios from the Lyon County Sheriff’s Department, that they were no longer using, in order to cannibalize them for parts. He stated parts are not available for the City’s Dispatch Center. He stated much of the radio equipment is nearing the end of its useful life. Dead spots that the radios can’t reach have been found in the county and equipment failures have occurred. He stated in addition, the radios police and firefighters use are falling behind new national standards adopted after the September 11 attacks. He stated Motorola has been one of the traditional sources for municipal radio systems and they were invited to submit a proposal by January 1, 2003. He stated the proposal was incomplete.

Sgt. Rick Frevert, Supervisor of the Dispatch Center, stated that might be due to the fact that the City is still interested in using UHS equipment while Motorola is committing itself more to 800 mhz radio systems.

Chief Heffron stated he did receive an offer by Ka-Comm that could go up in three phases. The first phase being new walkie-talkies and mobile radios which could be available in three or four weeks of an agreement being reached. Phase Two would be for a new console and 911 system. Phase Three would include a new 300' tower, repeaters and booster system. He stated as currently priced this system would run $751,616.00 for all three phases.

City Manager Commons stated the City has sold $600,000.00 in bonds for replacing the radio system and also has $115,000.00 in 911 funds that can be spent on the system. He stated if everything goes ahead the City intends to set up the tower at the Water Treatment Plant for better security.

Chief Heffron stated the Dispatch Center would be relocated to another location within the Police Department and that the system would be compatible with that used by the Lyon County Sheriff’s Department.

Following further discussion, it was the consensus of the Commission to direct staff to contact Ka-Comm and see if the price offered could be reduced by a package deal. Staff is to bring this item back to the Commission for their consideration at their next Regular meeting. No further action was taken on this item.

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Old 07-22-2009, 05:43 PM
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A buddy of mine knows the Lyon County Sheriff and mentioned the 800MHz digital system to him. He said the county would not be switching to it as it is to costly. And as the PD and SO are dispatched from the same system it looks like both should stay on UHF.

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I noticed that their deputies carry Kenwoods and have Kenwoods in their cars. I just figured that they were just supporting a local dealer.
plus kenwoods in the jail as well. I toured it, not been in it.
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I'll have to ask my brother in law what he carries...he is a detective with the LYCO Sheriffs office. I'm here because I want to program a bank on my 528 with Kansas info for when I travel home to see my family. I was making sure they weren't digital...

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I'll have to ask my brother in law what he carries...he is a detective with the LYCO Sheriffs office. I'm here because I want to program a bank on my 528 with Kansas info for when I travel home to see my family. I was making sure they weren't digital...

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