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Old 06-25-2014, 11:10 PM
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I still don't understand sometimes why it's these small towns that go full enc. I guess as I've mentioned they have there reasons) Heck I heard on my scanner of what took place in Wichita both officers and Dispatch was in the full clear and there on the same P-25 system. as KSICS

Our county is still sporadically using enc. on some things as well all the time on the Drug channel, but it was kind of funny this one S.O. Officer one early morning was thinking he was talking with encryption on and was not, he said o Crap I need to flip the switch.. from there

Didn't here anymore of that conversation.
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I still don't understand sometimes why it's these small towns that go full enc. I guess as I've mentioned they have there reasons) Heck I heard on my scanner of what took place in Wichita both officers and Dispatch was in the full clear and there on the same P-25 system. as KSICS

Our county is still sporadically using enc. on some things as well all the time on the Drug channel, but it was kind of funny this one S.O. Officer one early morning was thinking he was talking with encryption on and was not, he said o Crap I need to flip the switch.. from there

Didn't here anymore of that conversation.
Because it eliminates the possibility of being held accountable by the public. IF a small town has no way to know what's going on with their law enforcement personnel in real time, then it's practically impossible for law enforcement to be 100% transparent and trustworthy. And small towns already have issues with law enforcement not being consistent with the application and enforcement of laws...
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:28 PM
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Okay, I've tried digging through this thread to find any context on my issue and can't find any. So here goes.

The Kansas Dept. of Wildlife & Parks is divided into 5 Regions (1 thru 5 or A/B/C/F/H, as seen here --> Regional Offices / Locations / KDWPT Info / KDWPT - KDWPT), but the KSICS has talkgroups for 7 regions, as if they were aligned with KHP's troop organization:

Kansas Statewide Interoperable Communication System (KSICS) Trunking System, Statewide, Kansas - Scanner Frequencies

Anyone have any idea what the heck is going on with this? Trying to setup a profile for my 197 organized by KHP Troop, and then with various other scan lists organized by region and content.
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Are there any wildlife agents in Wyandotte or Johnson county Ks?
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Checking fishing licenses all the time. Most comm from that org is encrypted from what i have monitored.
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the 2 Wildlife & Parks officers that i know both operate with the local countries they work in . the one that i'm good friends with works 2 counties here in NC Kansas , but may go to the area lakes or where every he needs to go. around here i hear them go 10-8 in the local country dispatch. i hear very little activity with the KHP troop C dispatch. they will run 27's , 28's and 29's with the local law enforcement and will help local LE every now and then. i have not heard other Wildlife & Parks officers lately used to hear a couple officers working enforcement 1 was always encrypted and the others in the open i've had also heard KBI like that , but i don't think they know it.
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the 2 Wildlife & Parks officers that i know both operate with the local countries they work in . the one that i'm good friends with works 2 counties here in NC Kansas , but may go to the area lakes or where every he needs to go. around here i hear them go 10-8 in the local country dispatch. i hear very little activity with the KHP troop C dispatch. they will run 27's , 28's and 29's with the local law enforcement and will help local LE every now and then. i have not heard other Wildlife & Parks officers lately used to hear a couple officers working enforcement 1 was always encrypted and the others in the open i've had also heard KBI like that , but i don't think they know it.
Same, when I did see them on the Parks & Rec TG they were doing a sting at Waconda. They never used Mitchell counties freqs nor asked for any assistance. They have two officers 1175 & 1176 plus a boat that run everything through Mitchell county, however, I think they are Park Police... Up here in North Central Kansas they used the Dist 4 Dodge City TG (IIRC) going from memory...
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Default BCD996XT and KSICS

I'm trying to get my scanner setup for KSICS (and also the Sedgwick County P25 system). I downloaded the data from the database, setup quick keys and uploaded it to the scanner.

It looks like it is scanning, but I don't pick anything up at all. I am a police officer and have checked by using my portable. The portable is picking up traffic but the scanner is not. It does pickup the weather, so I know the scanner works.

I'm sure there is some setting or tweak I am missing, but I have no clue.

Any help out there at all?
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I'm trying to get my scanner setup for KSICS (and also the Sedgwick County P25 system). I downloaded the data from the database, setup quick keys and uploaded it to the scanner.

It looks like it is scanning, but I don't pick anything up at all. I am a police officer and have checked by using my portable. The portable is picking up traffic but the scanner is not. It does pickup the weather, so I know the scanner works.

I'm sure there is some setting or tweak I am missing, but I have no clue.

Any help out there at all?
Without knowing the scanner model, its hard to help.
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Default KSICS / BCD996XT / Butler County

Sorry about that; thought I put that in..

Uniden BCD996XT Scanner

Programmed from the database; butler county simulcast and sedgwick county sites setup with several groups including Butler County LE.

Tried FM and NFM modulation with no change.

Picks up KTA sometimes as well as Butler EMS 'sometimes' but never Butler County SO.

I know because I have my portable on and it IS picking up SO

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I've had problems before using my 396XT monitoring both the Butler County's Simulcast, and Sedgwick County's system as well. The problem is less when monitoring Butler County because I live in Andover, and the closest tower is right over by the KTA entrance, so I'm not dealing with multiple towers with the same relative signal strengths. Not so for Sedgwick County. The 396/996 can hardly do much with it.

I've had a 436HP since July, and it has done a much better job handling the decoding of received P25 data. Look at your 396's screen while monitoring Butler County Simulcast for example. You will see it may switch around a lot between NFM and 851.425. It may pick up a TG grant, but when it switches to the voice channel, it may just say LNK when it should be decoding voice. You can thank the manufacturers for the way the products are designed. The 436/536 are both great improvements in overall performance on both systems, I can attest to that.

Now with all of that said, if you would like the best performance, you could purchase an XTS2500/5000 for RX only trunking. I'd only do that if you know what you are doing. If you understand, it's not that difficult. Don't do it if you have no idea what you are doing going in because you could screw up and accidentally have your radio attempt to affiliate with the system by selecting a TG. It works by basically slaving a TG to a conventional channel in a scan list, and placing the TG in the same zone but higher than channel 16 so you don't select it. You could add multiple TGs to scan at a time, but know that you are limited with what you can do. It's worth it to me because half of the channels aren't used regularly anyways. For example, if you wanted to monitor Butler County, you could get by with these channels:
-BU SO 1
-BU SO 2
-DPS 1 (Augusta)
-BU EMS 1
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-AFD OPS (May respond on this channel, or an Event Channel)
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-Event Channels 1&2 are what you would normally need; Event 7 for Andover Fire
-Event 8 has been used by Andover for GAD (PD/FD)

Now you could expand KHP into that if you wanted, you can always make different groups depending on what you are wanting to monitor at the time. If you in to listening to lane runners on the KTA, listen to Troop G or KTA..haha.

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Sorry about that; thought I put that in..

Uniden BCD996XT Scanner

Programmed from the database; butler county simulcast and sedgwick county sites setup with several groups including Butler County LE.

Tried FM and NFM modulation with no change.

Picks up KTA sometimes as well as Butler EMS 'sometimes' but never Butler County SO.

I know because I have my portable on and it IS picking up SO

Confused..
Oh my bad, you did... In the title - which I missed/don't pay attention to in a long thread... Sorry
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I've had problems before using my 396XT monitoring both the Butler County's Simulcast, and Sedgwick County's system as well. The problem is less when monitoring Butler County because I live in Andover, and the closest tower is right over by the KTA entrance, so I'm not dealing with multiple towers with the same relative signal strengths. Not so for Sedgwick County. The 396/996 can hardly do much with it.

I've had a 436HP since July, and it has done a much better job handling the decoding of received P25 data. Look at your 396's screen while monitoring Butler County Simulcast for example. You will see it may switch around a lot between NFM and 851.425. It may pick up a TG grant, but when it switches to the voice channel, it may just say LNK when it should be decoding voice. You can thank the manufacturers for the way the products are designed. The 436/536 are both great improvements in overall performance on both systems, I can attest to that.

Now with all of that said, if you would like the best performance, you could purchase an XTS2500/5000 for RX only trunking. I'd only do that if you know what you are doing. If you understand, it's not that difficult. Don't do it if you have no idea what you are doing going in because you could screw up and accidentally have your radio attempt to affiliate with the system by selecting a TG. It works by basically slaving a TG to a conventional channel in a scan list, and placing the TG in the same zone but higher than channel 16 so you don't select it. You could add multiple TGs to scan at a time, but know that you are limited with what you can do. It's worth it to me because half of the channels aren't used regularly anyways. For example, if you wanted to monitor Butler County, you could get by with these channels:
-BU SO 1
-BU SO 2
-DPS 1 (Augusta)
-BU EMS 1
-APD 1
-APD 2
-AFD OPS (May respond on this channel, or an Event Channel)
-BU Fire
-Event Channels
-Event Channels 1&2 are what you would normally need; Event 7 for Andover Fire
-Event 8 has been used by Andover for GAD (PD/FD)

Now you could expand KHP into that if you wanted, you can always make different groups depending on what you are wanting to monitor at the time. If you in to listening to lane runners on the KTA, listen to Troop G or KTA..haha.

Jacob
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I have an XTS 2500 issued to me but I'd rather have a scanner in my POV. I wish I would have looked into the 996XT a little more before getting it.

Being ever the impulsive buyer, I got fed up tonight and ordered a BCD536HP. Let's hope that one does better. If so, I think the 996 will be hitting ebay.

The 536 will be at my door sometime on 1/20 so if I have time I'll see...
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I have an XTS 2500 issued to me but I'd rather have a scanner in my POV. I wish I would have looked into the 996XT a little more before getting it.

Being ever the impulsive buyer, I got fed up tonight and ordered a BCD536HP. Let's hope that one does better. If so, I think the 996 will be hitting ebay.

The 536 will be at my door sometime on 1/20 so if I have time I'll see...
Yeah, the x96 are good radios but that simulcasted stuff, really makes for a mess. I would bet the HP-2 & the new Whistler rigs handle it better than these older units do. Report back, would ya?
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With these simulcast systems, one has to find the sweet spot. It sounds rather ridiculous,. but with these scanners - ALL of them.have issues ( HP436 with best performance here in KC. I have not tried HP2) receiving that type of radio traffic. If you are in an area that has multiple simulcast towers, I'd try a couple few feet of coax and a RS800. In the city, strange as it may sound a few inches can make or break reception.
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I have an XTS 2500 issued to me but I'd rather have a scanner in my POV. I wish I would have looked into the 996XT a little more before getting it.

Being ever the impulsive buyer, I got fed up tonight and ordered a BCD536HP. Let's hope that one does better. If so, I think the 996 will be hitting ebay.

The 536 will be at my door sometime on 1/20 so if I have time I'll see...
Good choice, definitely more variability with what you can do with it than with an actual radio set up to receive only operation. Set up the thresholds to manual 6 as I have found them to provide the best performance on both simulcast sites.

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Got the 536HP setup. Still need to do some fine tuning but already 100% better than 996xt.

I'll try the settings suggested and report back..
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Hearing a new TG this evening and yesterday. #2514

Seems like it could be Cherokee Co. and from the traffic, maybe a car-to-car TG. Just now, heard two guys talking about some nut on a motorcycle (in this weather!) and about arresting someone for a laundry list of charges. They talked about meeting up between "here" (where ever "here" is) and Riverton and about being near Baxter Springs.

Edit- Sorry, I forgot to mention that I was listening on the Cherokee/West Mineral tower.
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