Another NEXEDGE Agency....

[KG4EMJ]

Originally Posted by Andyssonopie

I don't know if they are going NXDN or not, but the city police have upgraded there radios so they now can talk to the county police which are NXDN. I'm friends with one of the local dispatchers when I get a chance to see him I'll ask him what he knows. They had a meeting a couple of weeks ago with all city employes about a new radio system but I couldn't really find out what they were told, it kinda of lead me to think they had not done there narrow banding yet that I think is required by sometime in 2012. So as far as retuning your scanner who knows, it's just a gamble.

Just to follow up on this, I spoke to a friend who is a city police officer, and he told me that they are "working on upgrading their radios" which I took to mean that the radio system is going to be upgraded, since they already got a handheld radio upgrade. So then I asked if it was going to be encrypted like the Sherrifs Office and he said "Yeah, you won't be able to hear anything anymore."

This is not comfirmed, but it makes sense that Lawrenceburg would go NEXEDGE, because the SO is already, and a lot of the surrounding counties are too (Woodford, Franklin, Mercer, etc.)

So.. at some point in the next 12 months I expect that scanning as a hobby in the central KY area is largely going to disappear, except for the really hard core hobbyists that have $$$$ to spend on equipment. It's a real shame.

[trunktracker71]

you got that right i think itll backfire on them one day

[corbintechboy]

I am going political on a rant...

I am in the market for a new radio (mainly HF but thought about wideband) and have done a lot of comparing. I went to the extremes of installing DSD to no avail.

We the tax payers are the employers of all the people whom control us. I think it is crazy we have no accountability in this country and things like encrypted NXDN do nothing in the way of helping this. To much goes on in this country in secret behind closed doors.

Why as a people do we not question motives? Okay, digital does increase range but encryption has no effect on range (might even slightly lower it). Should we not question our employees? Should we not be concerned what is going on behind our backs?

Do I feel threatened that 1 in 10,000 people might use scanners to break a law? NOPE! Why? Because I pay for the radios and the people operating them and want to know where my money goes. If you are the 1 in 10,000 shmuck creating problems, I pay people to take care of you.

I understand the privacy concern, I do however also understand that the people using these radios work for me. It is to bad as a people that we do not demand accountability.

/rant...

[KD4YGG]

And Todd County is jumping on the NXDN bandwagon...

Todd County Trunking System, Elkton, Kentucky - Scanner Frequencies

[cfd825]

Originally Posted by corbintechboy

I am going political on a rant...

I am in the market for a new radio (mainly HF but thought about wideband) and have done a lot of comparing. I went to the extremes of installing DSD to no avail.

We the tax payers are the employers of all the people whom control us. I think it is crazy we have no accountability in this country and things like encrypted NXDN do nothing in the way of helping this. To much goes on in this country in secret behind closed doors.

Why as a people do we not question motives? Okay, digital does increase range but encryption has no effect on range (might even slightly lower it). Should we not question our employees? Should we not be concerned what is going on behind our backs?

Do I feel threatened that 1 in 10,000 people might use scanners to break a law? NOPE! Why? Because I pay for the radios and the people operating them and want to know where my money goes. If you are the 1 in 10,000 shmuck creating problems, I pay people to take care of you.

I understand the privacy concern, I do however also understand that the people using these radios work for me. It is to bad as a people that we do not demand accountability.

/rant...

The truth and facts behind these agencies going NXDN is simple.. Budget and Money.. These economic times that are country is in, these agencies are looking for the best value for there tax payers that is available to afford the best radio system possible. The only agencies that are using encryption are law enforcement and there are only a few that are using encryption.. No one complains about agencies using p-25 encryption,
The Facts:
NXDN Repeaters cost around $ 1,800.00 each.
P-25 repeaters cost around $16,000.00 each.

NXDN end user radios cost around $ 650.00 each
P-25 end user radios cost around $ 1,200.00 each

NXDN encryption is free and built into software.
P-25 encryption is around $800.00 per unit additional on top of radio cost( so $ 2,000.00 a unit)

P-25 has limited options compared to NXDN options.

As far as being able to use scanners with NXDN, it will just be a matter of time and it will be scannable.

As far as privacy, If a agency wants to be encyrpted, it should be their choice. And we should honor it. We don't need to know what law enforcement is doing. people need to get a life...
How would you like it if your cell phone was not digital?
Everyone would be listening to your phone conversation.... You all remember when cell phones were analog.. You could scan everyones calls..
And the comments about safety that I have heard on this forum... Whats different about p-25 Safety compared to NXDN or MOTOTURBO...
I have personally seen a NXDN radio flashed to P-25.. So its the same radio, does it make it safer..
As far as i'm concerned, NXDN should be the standard cause there are more NXDN systems out there than P-25..
Interoperbility can be achieved by state interop freqs.
Yes, the radio is reverse compatible. That means it can do digital as well as analog.

So there are the facts!!!

[corbintechboy]

Originally Posted by cfd825

As far as privacy, If a agency wants to be encyrpted, it should be their choice. And we should honor it. We don't need to know what law enforcement is doing. people need to get a life...
How would you like it if your cell phone was not digital?
Everyone would be listening to your phone conversation.... You all remember when cell phones were analog.. You could scan everyones calls..

Thank you for all the info.

I do take issue with above however. If you paid my cellphone bill, I would think you should have the right to listen in.

Point is, we the tax payers pay for the radios. We pay the people using them as well. I feel that these should be open to the people who pay for both those things.

As far as getting a life, a hobby is a hobby and no matter how much you might think my (our) hobby is a waste of time, it is still a hobby and valuable to ourselves.

[JoeyC]

Originally Posted by corbintechboy

Thank you for all the info.

I do take issue with above however. If you paid my cellphone bill, I would think you should have the right to listen in.

Point is, we the tax payers pay for the radios. We pay the people using them as well. I feel that these should be open to the people who pay for both those things.

As far as getting a life, a hobby is a hobby and no matter how much you might think my (our) hobby is a waste of time, it is still a hobby and valuable to ourselves.

I suppose using that logic the citizens should also be able to walk into the police station and have access to law enforcement databases, be able to borrow firearms, lookup vehicle registrations at the DMV and should be allowed into the governors mansion at will as well because we paid for them.

No, just because you contributed a tiny portion of your tax dollars to provide these things to the government doesn't give you specific rights to them.

Some people seem to have forgotten that the radios our public safety personnel use are there to conduct their day to day operations and not for the entertainment of scanner listeners or to provide information to the public.
There is no specific right to allow radio access in the Bill of Rights.

And just to set the record straight. I am a scanner hobbyist, and have been for 35 or more years. I own 7 scanners presently and primarily listen to law enforcement. My scanners run 16 hours a day and I've got them in my cars as well. To lose the privilege to listen would be devastating to my hobby.

[corbintechboy]

Originally Posted by JoeyC

I suppose using that logic the citizens should also be able to walk into the police station and have access to law enforcement databases, be able to borrow firearms, lookup vehicle registrations at the DMV and should be allowed into the governors mansion at will as well because we paid for them.

No, just because you contributed a tiny portion of your tax dollars to provide these things to the government doesn't give you specific rights to them.

Some people seem to have forgotten that the radios our public safety personnel use are there to conduct their day to day operations and not for the entertainment of scanner listeners or to provide information to the public.
There is no specific right to allow radio access in the Bill of Rights.

And just to set the record straight. I am a scanner hobbyist, and have been for 35 or more years. I own 7 scanners presently and primarily listen to law enforcement. My scanners run 16 hours a day and I've got them in my cars as well. To lose the privilege to listen would be devastating to my hobby.

It goes back to accountability. We should worry about what goes on behind closed doors.

I respect your thinking. But my "small part" is part of a larger community where tax is collected and used to pay for these things. So even if I pay a small part, then maybe as a community we should demand accountability.

[Todd_C]

Originally Posted by ShawnCowden

Laurel County Rescue Squad now on the digital mode and Corbin PD also London PD and I do think Williamsburg PD is also

I'm old scanner addict from way back, but have never kept up with, nor understood the tech stuff. So, my question is, am I to understand that even with a digital scanner, I cannot pick up any of the new freq in and around London/Laurel county?

Add Jackson Energy to the "NEXEDGE" list as of this month.They went with a S. Walker system and installed NX-700 radios in all their trucks. Was this the same system Chief Walker sold to the LPD and LFD? Of which he is the CHIEF OF POLICE. (CONFLICT OF INTREST??)

I also notice while listening to the live feeds on here, I hear several freq I don't have. Where might I get these? The list on this site include SEVERAL old or unused freq's.

I just hate to lose my addiction, I have so few left!!

[ShawnCowden]

Todd I say get into ham radio. I mean that is all that is really left to do . Yeah S. Walker has sold alot of radios and is a chief of police. Also he works on area radios. Its kinda like Brian Reams when he stold the money from the feds. which were met to protect us. Ah well they will get their day. slowly but surely a lot of the "leaders" are going down to our level when it comes to crime. Seems sooner or later they will get caught by the feds or state I mean look at the Laurel County School system it is a mess.

[voxiso]

Originally Posted by Todd_C

I'm old scanner addict from way back, but have never kept up with, nor understood the tech stuff. So, my question is, am I to understand that even with a digital scanner, I cannot pick up any of the new freq in and around London/Laurel county?

Add Jackson Energy to the "NEXEDGE" list as of this month.They went with a S. Walker system and installed NX-700 radios in all their trucks. Was this the same system Chief Walker sold to the LPD and LFD? Of which he is the CHIEF OF POLICE. (CONFLICT OF INTREST??)

I also notice while listening to the live feeds on here, I hear several freq I don't have. Where might I get these? The list on this site include SEVERAL old or unused freq's.

I just hate to lose my addiction, I have so few left!!

At this time no scanner can monitor NEXEDGE systems but I am sure one will come out sooner than later

[talexhill]

Originally Posted by cfd825

The truth and facts behind these agencies going NXDN is simple.. Budget and Money.. These economic times that are country is in, these agencies are looking for the best value for there tax payers that is available to afford the best radio system possible. The only agencies that are using encryption are law enforcement and there are only a few that are using encryption.. No one complains about agencies using p-25 encryption,
The Facts:
NXDN Repeaters cost around $ 1,800.00 each.
P-25 repeaters cost around $16,000.00 each.

NXDN end user radios cost around $ 650.00 each
P-25 end user radios cost around $ 1,200.00 each

NXDN encryption is free and built into software.
P-25 encryption is around $800.00 per unit additional on top of radio cost( so $ 2,000.00 a unit)

P-25 has limited options compared to NXDN options.

As far as being able to use scanners with NXDN, it will just be a matter of time and it will be scannable.

As far as privacy, If a agency wants to be encyrpted, it should be their choice. And we should honor it. We don't need to know what law enforcement is doing. people need to get a life...
How would you like it if your cell phone was not digital?
Everyone would be listening to your phone conversation.... You all remember when cell phones were analog.. You could scan everyones calls..
And the comments about safety that I have heard on this forum... Whats different about p-25 Safety compared to NXDN or MOTOTURBO...
I have personally seen a NXDN radio flashed to P-25.. So its the same radio, does it make it safer..
As far as i'm concerned, NXDN should be the standard cause there are more NXDN systems out there than P-25..
Interoperbility can be achieved by state interop freqs.
Yes, the radio is reverse compatible. That means it can do digital as well as analog.

So there are the facts!!!

i can understand everyone's point of the fact that NEXEDGE and TRBO aren't good for interoperability. but the facts are true above. it's cheaper, and has built in encryption. even if they don't turn the encryption on persay, without a NX radio, the everyday person cannot scan it. which in my eyes is a plus. so much that is said on our public safety radio system ends up on topix with people complaining. if we used NEXEDGE, and or encryption, we would be better off. in my personal option.

so don't reply back and talk about how they're "hiding behind doors". because that's yours, and i just stated mine.

plus NEXEDGE has way better range than analog.

[voxiso]

I am just glad my county opted for P25

[corbintechboy]

Originally Posted by talexhill

i can understand everyone's point of the fact that NEXEDGE and TRBO aren't good for interoperability. but the facts are true above. it's cheaper, and has built in encryption. even if they don't turn the encryption on persay, without a NX radio, the everyday person cannot scan it. which in my eyes is a plus. so much that is said on our public safety radio system ends up on topix with people complaining. if we used NEXEDGE, and or encryption, we would be better off. in my personal option.

so don't reply back and talk about how they're "hiding behind doors". because that's yours, and i just stated mine.

plus NEXEDGE has way better range than analog.

Ok, I am at the conclusion you are referring to me? Even though you didn't directly quote me.

Why anyone would be for more seclusion in our "Government" astounds me. Okay, so NDAA that our fine private Government has passed is fine with you? Or, how about the over taxation of certain goods? Is that okay with you? What about guantanamo bay? There was a recent President that ran his whole lie to get elected on the promise of getting guantanamo bay shut down.

I think we as a people are wayyyyyyyy to accepting! NDAA gives the people in power the right to throw you away and forget the key. And this is okay? You are way more trusting then I am.

Now there is no accountability for those whom control us. Now they can kill,lie or whatever and it will never be made public. Why? because people who used to be able to listen to these things had a voice. Now they don't! You pay in and you are shut up! This is okay? I don't understand the reasoning?....

[w4rtt]

Originally Posted by ShawnCowden

and no way at all to scan this system huh ?

The answer is right next door.

Digital Speech Decoder (software package) - The RadioReference Wiki

I have this working on KSP right now. No NEXEDGE in NoKY yet.

[w4rtt]

Forgot to mention, this is a Linux application. But here is the link to a Windows ported version.
DSD Windows Port

And yes, it is in DOS. So read the readme file.

[searchrescueff]

How exactly did this thread go from an "Another Nexedge Agency....." to feuding about whether P25 or NXDN is better? WHO CARES WHICH IS BETTER!!!!!! Get with the thread and where is was intended to head from the beginning people!!!

[searchrescueff]

BTW, Ohio County Sheriff and Central City PD (Muhlenberg County) in Kentucky have both moved to Nexedge communications. Verified thru my radio tech who installed both.

[st126]

I am being told the UHF Mototurbo in Harrodsburg is on its way out and being replaced by Nexedge .

[trashman43]

I am being told the UHF Mototurbo in Harrodsburg is on its way out and being replaced by Nexedge

I heard NXDN on 159.090 yesterday