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Old 03-03-2005, 03:03 PM
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Default I need help with my scanner permit. PLZ

I have a few questions, If someone could help I would appreciate it. On the application it asks for the specific reason for wanting the permit. I dont have one just want to monitor for fun. If I put that its a hobby would they turn me down? Also it asks if the equipment will be potable or permantly installed. Although I have a portable now I might want to install a permanent mobile scanner at some point, So would it be ok to check both boxs?


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Old 03-03-2005, 03:48 PM
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I would just forget about the silly scanner permit and get yourself an amateur radio operator license and be done with it.
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Old 03-03-2005, 04:56 PM
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When I applied for my permit, I put down hobby, severe weather montoring, and intrest in public safety for my reasons. So you should be in good shape because I got mine with no problems.
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Old 03-03-2005, 06:02 PM
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Just tell the truth . The truth shall set you free .
You will also get your permit .
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Old 03-03-2005, 06:49 PM
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Me and my wife put down hobbist. We both recieved them in the mail 3 weeks later.
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Old 03-03-2005, 11:34 PM
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Thanks Ill put down as a hobby and hope for the best.

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Old 03-03-2005, 11:35 PM
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Old 03-04-2005, 12:11 AM
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I put minotiring for severe weather conditions and traffic conditions on my way to and from work from Grand Rapids to Lansing and back. I had mine in about 3 weeks also
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Old 03-15-2005, 08:58 AM
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Good advice from Crayon. Just a couple notes, though:
Keep a copy of your license with you - a copy of the compiled
law exempting technician-class and above would be a good
thing to carry, as well.
Also, if you do have an amateur license, the MSP will NOT
issue you a scanner permit (since you're already exempt).
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Old 03-16-2005, 04:25 PM
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Michigan is one of just a few states that have laws stating you cannot have a scanner in your car, per MSP Communications, they are trying to do away with the law, it only keeps honest people from carring, crooks will still and do carry them. Also, since I got my last permit, they dropped the expiration dates off, now they are good indefinately. Military Fire Dude, Hawgs rule......... (A-10's)
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I beg to differ with one of cdenton's statements.

I do have an Extra Class Amateur Radio license (a real one, not one of the second-rate ones they are issuing now days), and I did put that down on my scanner permit application.

I received the permit within two weeks, even though I indicated I am an amateur radio licensee.

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Old 03-17-2005, 02:22 PM
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Quote:
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Good advice from Crayon. Just a couple notes, though:
Keep a copy of your license with you - a copy of the compiled
law exempting technician-class and above would be a good
thing to carry, as well.
Also, if you do have an amateur license, the MSP will NOT
issue you a scanner permit (since you're already exempt).
This IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE!!!

I have been a licensed ham radio operator going on 11 years, and before I got my scanner permit, I called and spoke to I believe karen at Michigan State Police Communications Divison in Lansing. She said that the Ham license does indeed cover having a scanner in a vehicle, but to go ahead and get the permit anyway just "because" . Michigan State Police DO ISSUE PERMITS TO HAM OPERATORS!!!! It is just another way of being FULLY protected and EXEMPT FROM THE LAW.


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Old 03-18-2005, 12:50 PM
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I too have an amateur license and put that on my application. MSP rejected it saying my license was good enough and they sent a copy of the law which I carry with me since most officers think it is illegal for anyone to carry.

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Old 03-19-2005, 03:10 PM
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Do I get an application for having an scanner in my car from my local state police post or do i have to get it from State Police Headquarters in Lansing?
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Old 03-19-2005, 03:48 PM
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Get it from the MSP web site

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/com-022_8561_7.pdf

Then mail it to Lansing per the instructions.

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I too have an amateur license and put that on my application. MSP rejected it saying my license was good enough and they sent a copy of the law which I carry with me since most officers think it is illegal for anyone to carry.

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I've been following this thread and just wanted to let everyone know...

I applied for my permit over a month ago and just received it today! I even put on the application I was a licensed amateur radio operator with my callsign and I still got it.

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I received mine today. Only took about 10 days. My question is: What if my wife was driving the vehicle and I was not present but the permit was in the vehicle and the vehicle registration is in my name? Should I have my wife apply also?

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Old 04-08-2005, 08:51 AM
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I too have an amateur license and put that on my application. MSP rejected it saying my license was good enough and they sent a copy of the law which I carry with me since most officers think it is illegal for anyone to carry.

Les
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I've been following this thread and just wanted to let everyone know...

I applied for my permit over a month ago and just received it today! I even put on the application I was a licensed amateur radio operator with my callsign and I still got it.

Diskmonger
Something you may want to think about before applying for a permit is what you are agreeing to. While the law applies to everyone, by signing the permit you are signing a document that could be used in a court if you ever revealed something you heard on the scanner. While the chance is close to zero anything like that would ever happen, the possibility is always there.
The only people except from this law are Dem. operatives revealing cell phone conversations they have overheard.

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P.S. Opps now there is a document that shows I know what the law is. Oh well I have an Amateur Radio License so I aleady have agreed to follow the law :-)



MICHIGAN STATE POLICE
APPLICATION FOR SHORT WAVE PERMIT
IN A VEHICLE TO MONITOR POLICE FREQUENCIES
I have read and understand Section 605 of the Federal Communication Act of 1934 concerning unauthorized publication of communications.
VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH SHORT WAVE LENGTH
RADIO RECEIVING SETS

UNAUTHORIZED PUBLICATION OR USE OF COMMUNICATIONS
Federal Communications Act of 1934 Sec. 605. Unauthorized Publication or Use of Communications.
(a) Practices Prohibited.
Except as authorized by chapter 119, Title 18, no person receiving, assisting in receiving, transmitting, or assisting in transmitting, any interstate or foreign communication by wire or radio shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof, except through authorized channels of transmission or reception, (1) to any person other than the addressee, his agent, or attorney, (2) to a person employed or authorized to forward such communication to its destination, (3) to proper accounting or distributing officers of the various communicating centers over which the communication may be passed, (4) to the master of a ship under whom he is serving, (5) in response to a subpoena issued by a court of competent jurisdiction, or (6) on demand of other lawful authority. No person not being authorized by the sender shall intercept any radio communication and divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning of such intercepted communication to any person. No person not being entitled thereto shall receive or assist in receiving any interstate or foreign communication by radio and use such communication (or any information therein contained) for his own benefit or for the benefit of another not entitled thereto.
No person having received any intercepted radio communication or having become acquainted with the contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning of such communication (or any part thereof) or use such communication (or any information therein contained) for his own benefit or for the benefit of another not entitled thereto. This section shall also apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing, or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or person in distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio station operator or by a citizens band radio operator.
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:25 AM
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Something you may want to think about before applying for a permit is what you are agreeing to. While the law applies to everyone, by signing the permit you are signing a document that could be used in a court if you ever revealed something you heard on the scanner. While the chance is close to zero anything like that would ever happen, the possibility is always there.
The only people except from this law are Dem. operatives revealing cell phone conversations they have overheard.

Toydriver
P.S. Opps now there is a document that shows I know what the law is. Oh well I have an Amateur Radio License so I aleady have agreed to follow the law :-)



MICHIGAN STATE POLICE
APPLICATION FOR SHORT WAVE PERMIT
IN A VEHICLE TO MONITOR POLICE FREQUENCIES
I have read and understand Section 605 of the Federal Communication Act of 1934 concerning unauthorized publication of communications.
VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH SHORT WAVE LENGTH
RADIO RECEIVING SETS

UNAUTHORIZED PUBLICATION OR USE OF COMMUNICATIONS
Federal Communications Act of 1934 Sec. 605. Unauthorized Publication or Use of Communications.
(a) Practices Prohibited.
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So you are agreeing to follow the law!

Is that such a hard thing to do?
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