Warren MPSCS Subsystem

EC-7 · #1 (**permalink**) 10-21-2005, 05:30 AM

Can anyone hear the Warren MPSCS subsystem all the time? I hear VERY little traffic on it. I have logged a few TG's but I dont get much audio. I dont have any TG's locked out and this is what I have programmed.
851.4875
852.4875
853.4875
854.4875 Control Channel Sys19A, BEE00, TO101, 88% Signal
856.0375
856.0875 LOCKED OUT. I think this is another systems control channel, I get this. M36:3B08, 99%
855.4875
All are setup for Mot Trunking.
I have logged these TG's with Pro96Com
00688 Warren FD?
00048 Warren PD?
00080
00432
00592 Warren Survail.
00240 Warren Traffic?
00310
What can be wrong with this? This is even when all other banks are off and I dont have anything else programmed into this bank.

rdale · #2 (**permalink**) 10-21-2005, 06:10 AM

"Can anyone hear the Warren MPSCS subsystem all the time?"

This is not related to MPSCS... It is a standalone system, according to the database it's still in testing...

mikey60 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-21-2005, 08:44 AM

As Rob mentioned, this is not an MPSCS subsystem at this point. Most of those talkgroups you list are on the older 3600bps analog system, and would not have been logged with Pro96Com...

As of this moment (I just checked), they are still using the analog system, which is the 3B08 system you saw.

Mike

seamusg · #4 (**permalink**) 10-21-2005, 09:26 AM

The new system is not being used yet - just testing. It looks like they are setting up the new radios, I've seen 390 new radio ID's so far on it and 38 TG ID's. It looks like all the TG's will change.
CC 854.4875
856.0375 is the only voice channel I've seen so far.
Warren will be a standalone system not part of the MPSCS. They are currently running the old system from the back-up site at the hospital on 12 Mile and testing the new system from the main site at the Civic center. When I ask when they are going live with the new system the only word is real soon.

Thunderbolt · #5 (**permalink**) 10-21-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by seamusg

When I ask when they are going live with the new system the only word is real soon.

They may elect to wait until Devil's Night/Halloween is over first. Unfortunately, these two days place a lot of (extra) users on any given radio system and I would suspect that Warren is no exception. However, this would be an ideal time to place a lot of extra users on the new system and see if it can take the increase in channel loading, as part of their acceptance trials with Motorola.

73's

Ron

seamusg · #6 (**permalink**) 10-21-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

They may elect to wait until Devil's Night/Halloween is over first. Unfortunately, these two days place a lot of (extra) users on any given radio system and I would suspect that Warren is no exception. However, this would be an ideal time to place a lot of extra users on the new system and see if it can take the increase in channel loading, as part of their acceptance trials with Motorola.

73's

Ron

You are most likely right. Warren doesn't like to take chances with their radio system, also they have alot of radios to program on the system plus Centerline PD. All the TG's so far are between 10 and 310. The rate of new radios has gone down, there was a two day period where it went from 81 to 255 radios, it's now at 395.

stiebs81 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-23-2005, 04:53 PM

Has anyone been seeing odd looking talk groups on the Warren system? For example 000-4.

seamusg · #8 (**permalink**) 10-23-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stiebs81

Has anyone been seeing odd looking talk groups on the Warren system? For example 000-4.

I haven't seen that on either system old or new, which one are you watching. I get some junk on my 796 if I put in all 7 freqs in one bank and lock out 854.4875 (new system CC).

stiebs81 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-23-2005, 09:29 PM

I'm not sure who was talking on that channel, I had ID search going at the time. Warren is the only system giving me trouble now. What is the best way to program Warren's system? Should I put in all seven frequencies or just enter the control channel?

mikey60 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-23-2005, 09:31 PM

It sounds to me like tou have teh system set to a type I system. Make sure it's set to a Type II system.

Mike

stiebs81 · #11 (**permalink**) 10-23-2005, 09:42 PM

It's on the Type II system.

seamusg · #12 (**permalink**) 10-23-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stiebs81

I'm not sure who was talking on that channel, I had ID search going at the time. Warren is the only system giving me trouble now. What is the best way to program Warren's system? Should I put in all seven frequencies or just enter the control channel?

Warren is running two systems now ( one 3600 and one 9600). On my 796 it gets confused with all 7 freqs. I now have 1 bank with 6 freqs (854.4875 left out) for the old system and it seems to work ok. I'm using my pro96 to monitor the new system on 854.4875 until they cut - if I put all 7 freqs in one bank it messes up my 796 and I get non valid TG's. There is almost no traffic on the new system - only registering new radios.

seamusg · #13 (**permalink**) 10-23-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stiebs81

It's on the Type II system.

both are type II one is 3600 and one is 9600 APCO25

stiebs81 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-23-2005, 09:58 PM

I'll see what I can do with the old system for now.

MacombMonitor · #15 (**permalink**) 10-24-2005, 11:09 PM

Unless things have changed recently, Warren's Public Service system changes the control channel every 24 hours. So you should have all the frequencies programmed, with the exception of 856.0875 [MDT], leave that one out.

seamusg · #16 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MacombMonitor

Unless things have changed recently, Warren's Public Service system changes the control channel every 24 hours. So you should have all the frequencies programmed, with the exception of 856.0875 [MDT], leave that one out.

864.4875 is the CC for the new system, and they are running on the backup system now, I haven't checked if they changed the control clannel for the OLD system lately, but if you put in 854.4875 on a BC796D with the other freqs it get confused. Warren is running two systems at this time one has a CC of 854.4875- one is 3600 amd one is 9600. If you put all the freqs in one bank you have two systems in a bank one a P16 and one a P25. ps I cought some audio on the new system today after 1600 - they were showing what feedback is like on a P25 system - (ie echo)

MacombMonitor · #17 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 11:16 AM

Things have changed then! I haven't really monitored Warren since I move to Macomb Township, four years ago.

Are they actually going to digital 100%? I had heard they were not. I read somewhere they were going to have some type of simulcast link to MPSCS.

seamusg · #18 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MacombMonitor

Things have changed then! I haven't really monitored Warren since I move to Macomb Township, four years ago.

Are they actually going to digital 100%? I had heard they were not. I read somewhere they were going to have some type of simulcast link to MPSCS.

All the testing I've heard was all digital and it's listing 856.0875 as an alternate CC. It will be a stand alone system not part of MPSCS. I don't know if they will have a link to MPSCS though. They should be online real soon. I've seen 400 radios registered so far. Two more years and Macomb Co. goes Digital.