Thought I was familiar with Macombs system

[yoyo22]

Why am I hearing Genesee county on macombs system?(tg 2401)

As far as I can tell, genesee has there own simulcast system

[mikey60]

Originally Posted by yoyo22

Why am I hearing Genesee county on macombs system?(tg 2401)

As far as I can tell, genesee has there own simulcast system

The Genesee County System and the Macomb County system are part of the MPSCS (The Michigan statewide system). Genesee units can use the Macomb system, and the opposite is also true.

Remember, just because a site is in one county, doesn't mean units from other counties can't use it.

Mike

[yoyo22]

I understand that, but I also don't expect to hear Wayne county here either. Genesee is two counties over. I thought at first that maybe a car have cruised over this way, and dragged the talkgroup with it, but after two days, that can't be the case.

My concern is that Macomb only has 17 freqs available, so If one is getting used by Genesee and another by St clair, and so one??? Mind you Macomb is still not completely on line yet. As it stands I have already seen all the freqs jammed on a busy night, using pro96com. and a hand full of those jamming it up were not in Macomb,,

I work for one of the Dept in Macomb,, I don't want to be the one who gets a busy tone, when I need help!

Warren on their own system has 7,, I think either Macomb or the state severely underbuilt the system in Macomb

[rdale]

"I thought at first that maybe a car have cruised over this way, and dragged the talkgroup with it, but after two days, that can't be the case."

Why can't it? I get cars in the Lansing towers ALL THE TIME from VERY FAR AWAY.

[yoyo22]

for days on end?? on a transport or pick-up ,,but that should only be a few hours or so,, not for days.

and if a radio that far away is arbitrarily linking up with a distant tower, that's a poopy design

[RadioRon]

Someone down at MCC for a couple of days worth of class, or a unit assigned out for some operation?

[rdale]

It's not arbitrarily linking up with a DISTANT tower - it's linking with the CLOSEST. Again, I hear out-of-area talkgroups for DAYS on end, there's nothing at all unique about it. That is how the system is designed.

[Wyandotte]

Yoyo:
You'll hear just about anything on the state system. I'm downriver, and hear Hillsdale talkgroups. I'm not getting incredible groundwave propogation. It's just that the Hillsdale talkgroup came through the Flat Rock tower. It happens. Hillsdale or Lansing or Burton mobiles don't need to be anywhere near the tower you are listening to, to hear them. It could be that a trooper running around in Imlay City wants to listen to what's going where his brother works in Mio. So he sets his radio to hear the talkgroups up there. And you get to hear them too. Enjoy the system, and quit trying to fgure out the quirks.

[bigbluemsp]

If you have a EST or K9 Troop living near you and their radio is set to scan the state then you will hear anything he is picking up off his mobile or prep.

[yoyo22]

Originally Posted by bigbluemsp

If you have a EST or K9 Troop living near you and their radio is set to scan the state then you will hear anything he is picking up off his mobile or prep.

That was my best guess


I know my particular Dept has put in place a STRICT policy, that once we move more then two counties away, on duty or off, we MUST switch over to statewide#2. Some warnings have already been issued.

Apparently Lansing knows right away, and apparently our dept com coordinator knows how or where to access the reports.

[a29zuk]

Originally Posted by yoyo22

Why am I hearing Genesee county on macombs system?(tg 2401)

As far as I can tell, genesee has there own simulcast system

Think of the MPSCS system just like a cellphone system. There are towers all over the state so each agency can communicate with each other if they need to, just like you can call across the state on your cellphone.

[yoyo22]

Oops forgot to mention,, apparently I'm not the only person worried about this. I learned yesterday, that Macomb is requesting an additional frequency, hopefully two from the state.

[a29zuk]

Sorry yoyo, I posted a few minutes after you did and didn't see your last response.

[mikey60]

Originally Posted by yoyo22

Oops forgot to mention,, apparently I'm not the only person worried about this. I learned yesterday, that Macomb is requesting an additional frequency, hopefully two from the state.

I expect that whenever the digital TV transition is complete and the 700 Mhz frequencies become available, some of them will be added to the Macomb site.

Mike

[m297]

Originally Posted by yoyo22

That was my best guess


I know my particular Dept has put in place a STRICT policy, that once we move more then two counties away, on duty or off, we MUST switch over to statewide#2. Some warnings have already been issued.

Apparently Lansing knows right away, and apparently our dept com coordinator knows how or where to access the reports.

Never heard that, however I cant comment on your dept policy. Dist 2 came online with the new system sometime around 1999, and I've never been told not to keep my radio on main dispatch and switch over to statw2. Interesting.....

[detroit780]

Current training on the system is to switch to a statewide channel for your district once you leave your district. The issue is that say you're a Livingston county car and you are on a training program say in Chippewa county in the UP. Your radio will associate to the local tower and all of your counties 9-1-1 calls will repeat on the Chippewa tower. This is a problem since Chippewa doen't have many frequencies and Livinston can get busy so you could actually tie up the system.

The NCC does indeed monitor this and if it were to becoem an issue your dispacth would be notified. It makes sense, there is no need to hear all the traffic on your main channel when you aren't close enought to respond and Livingston always has one radio associted to D1SW.

Les

Originally Posted by m297

Never heard that, however I cant comment on your dept policy. Dist 2 came online with the new system sometime around 1999, and I've never been told not to keep my radio on main dispatch and switch over to statw2. Interesting.....

[kc8bdk]

Originally Posted by yoyo22

Oops forgot to mention,, apparently I'm not the only person worried about this. I learned yesterday, that Macomb is requesting an additional frequency, hopefully two from the state.

its less likely that they are requesting to fill... they only have 18 slots right now

anything more would be a substantial $$$ investment to get additional channels

Now, I do know they are running 15 channels currently due to the fact that 2 were interfering with another police agency that is not on the MSP system (so much for /\/\ power calculations for non-interference). I have rarely seen it go over 12 channels usage, we still have the control, alt control and ID channels that are RARELY used

also, dont forget about the priority levels on talkgroups, a "local" county agency will get priority over a "non-local"... example, Fraser will get priority over a K-zoo talkgroup.

now, thats in a perfect world... we will see...

[m297]

Originally Posted by detroit780

Current training on the system is to switch to a statewide channel for your district once you leave your district. The issue is that say you're a Livingston county car and you are on a training program say in Chippewa county in the UP. Your radio will associate to the local tower and all of your counties 9-1-1 calls will repeat on the Chippewa tower. This is a problem since Chippewa doen't have many frequencies and Livinston can get busy so you could actually tie up the system.

The NCC does indeed monitor this and if it were to becoem an issue your dispacth would be notified. It makes sense, there is no need to hear all the traffic on your main channel when you aren't close enought to respond and Livingston always has one radio associted to D1SW.

Les

No I'm not disputing what you are saying and I totally understand, however understand this we aren't taking for instance our surveillance from our channel to a statewide channel because we have left district 2 towers for instance, that just isnt gonna happen, and for that reason our unit hasn't been told to switch to a statewide channel. I assure you of this as we travel the entire state.

[rdale]

You do surveillance operations on a dispatch channel?

[m297]

Originally Posted by rdale

You do surveillance operations on a dispatch channel?

Your pretty smart Rob why don't your figure that out.