Michigan thinking of 700 mhz?

N8DV · #1 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 05:12 PM

With all the talk of the upcoming 700 mhz band and rebanding of scanners, I was thinking, if Michigan is going to go this way? Any one have any thoughts?

rdale · #2 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 05:44 PM

Yes they will, but not anytime soon. And it won't bother your scanner (unless you have a Pro96.)

DaveIN · #3 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 07:12 PM

When monitoring the MPSCS system with Pro96Com or UniTrunker, it reports an 800 and 700 MHz band plan, so it's only a matter of implementation when needed.

Wyandotte · #4 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by N8DV

With all the talk of the upcoming 700 mhz band and rebanding of scanners, I was thinking, if Michigan is going to go this way? Any one have any thoughts?

My gut feeling, based upon the trade magazines I read and what I see of FCC proposals for rule making, is that 700 mhz is going to be the data side of public safety and 800 mhz is going to be the voice side.

Data terminals, MDT's, video in and out of the vehicle, the license plate readers, the fax machines in fire command vehicles (think building blueprints being printed out on the way to a scene), etc will all be one nationwide network. No matter where in the good ol' U.S.A. some first responder is, his vehicle's data equipment will be linked to the same nationwide network.

800 mhz will continue to be voice communications, licensed for the most part to individual agencies as it is now. I realize there is voice on 700 mhz now, and what is already there may stay. But I don't think voice moving in mass to 700 is going to happen.

Google "Cyren Call" to get a good idea of what I'm talking about. Their website explains it better than I can.

rdale · #5 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 09:10 PM

That's not correct, when Michigan adds 700MHz it will be primarily for voice communications.

n4voxgill · #6 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 11:11 PM

Ten of the twenty four MHz of 700 MHz frequencies set asdie for public safety, has been set aside for wideband. Voice can also be sent in the coming broadband systems. A nationwide brandband system will be built by private enterprise. So in the next couple of years there will be 700 broadband in the metrolpolitan areas of Michigan and ultimately the state.

rdale · #7 (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 09:20 AM

Theoretically.

N8DV · #8 (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 11:21 AM

Can you imagine the megabuck$ that the FCC will reapt when then auction off those frequencies? I just hope that they will get used unlike the fiasco with UPS and the 220 mhz band several years ago. Also, I would like to see the megabuck$ for the tv frequencies when we finally go digital.

k8tmk · #9 (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 04:18 PM

Digital won't happen in my lifetime. The general public just hasn't caught on to the impact yet. The naive public is just being sold on the better picture HDTV has. I predict our politicians are about to get their butts kicked when the general public does catch on.

Randy

rdale · #10 (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 05:01 PM

Are you terminally ill :> ? Digital will happen, the number of people NOT on some sort of cable or satellite system is small enough that they will not represent a worthy voting block...

johnvassel · #11 (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 06:31 PM

I purchased a portable tv, 5inch LCD with analog and digital tuners for less than 50 bucks, shipped. Digital will happen, and has happened. In many cities, Free OTA digital channels outnumber the analog channels.
Digital radio, well, it has it's quirks, but it's becoming more and more accepted too. (And more reliable).

Wyandotte · #12 (**permalink**) 10-12-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rdale

That's not correct, when Michigan adds 700MHz it will be primarily for voice communications.

I'm curious how you base this opinion. My post about my feelings that 700 mhz will be primarily data communications give references to why I thought so, and also refered readers to a website that explained what I was saying much more concise that I could.

You post simply says "...700MHz it will be primarily for voice communications". How did you derive this opinion? Why do you feel that way? You may be right. Like I said in my post, my opinion was nothing more than a gut feeling. Please back up what you said with WHY you feel that way. What do you know?

Wyandotte · #13 (**permalink**) 10-12-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by k8tmk

Digital won't happen in my lifetime. The general public just hasn't caught on to the impact yet. The naive public is just being sold on the better picture HDTV has. I predict our politicians are about to get their butts kicked when the general public does catch on.

Randy

You don't need a digital TV if you have cable. Who don't have cable?
This digital deadline is much ado about nothing for most people. Like Rdale said, who's got an outside antenna anymore?

rdale · #14 (**permalink**) 10-12-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyandotte

I'm curious how you base this opinion.

Because as you see above, the towers already include 700MHz references in their programming. Also, MPSCS has stated in their newsletter that in the future they will be adding voice frequencies as the demand requires it. And other states (CO) have added 700MHz frequencies and they are for voice.

Thunderbolt · #15 (**permalink**) 10-13-2007, 02:17 AM

Illinois' Starcom21 TRS has many 700 MHz sites across the state, and that number is growing each month. Most of these sites are used for voice traffic. Likewise, Idaho, Louisiana, and Idaho have Project 25 TRSs under development that will be almost exclusive to the 700 MHz band, for voice and data operations. Nonetheless, from all of the literature that I have read from the MPSCS, they do plan to add additional 700 MHz frequency pairs to many sites, which will help reduce congestion in some areas, especially in and around the larger cities.

73s

Ron

bigbluemsp · #16 (**permalink**) 10-13-2007, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

Illinois' Starcom21 TRS has many 700 MHz sites across the state, and that number is growing each month. Most of these sites are used for voice traffic. Likewise, Idaho, Louisiana, and Idaho have Project 25 TRSs under development that will be almost exclusive to the 700 MHz band, for voice and data operations. Nonetheless, from all of the literature that I have read from the MPSCS, they do plan to add additional 700 MHz frequency pairs to many sites, which will help reduce congestion in some areas, especially in and around the larger cities.

73s

Ron

Correct Ron and the main hold up is because Canada isn't willing to approve anything in the 700 spectrum yet but when they do approve them it will open the door to pair them up on the MPSCS.

MetroMike · #17 (**permalink**) 11-22-2007, 11:09 PM

As far as rebanding goes, the Michigan State Police recently completed a mandatory inventory of every single mobile and prep 800mhz radio it has. If a radio was not accounted for it was shut off by the NCC; when a sizeable department has several thousand preps floating around (some listed as warehoused/stand-by/loaner) there are bound to be a couple that end up missing or in the woods/ditch somewhere.

http://www.rccpm.com/MI800MHz/Shared...0to%20Subs.pdf

Oh yeah....if you are a Sprint/Nextel subscriber, take note of the third paragraph. Ouch.

GreatLakes · #18 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MetroMike

http://www.rccpm.com/MI800MHz/Shared...0to%20Subs.pdf

Oh yeah....if you are a Sprint/Nextel subscriber, take note of the third paragraph. Ouch.

Where is the ouch for Sprint/Nextel subscribers? It shouldn't have any impact on subscribers.

bigbluemsp · #19 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 10:07 AM

Bill

Paying for rebaning + Nextel Paying for it = Gets money from Sprint/Nextel Customers by raisng prices

Thunderbolt · #20 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbluemsp

Bill

Paying for rebaning + Nextel Paying for it = Gets money from Sprint/Nextel Customers by raisng prices

BINGO!!!! I have friends who use Sprint, and their coverage areas leave a lot to be desired. They really need to improve their service in a lot of areas. You're either in the system or drop put of it.