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Old 12-10-2013, 1:40 PM
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I made a trip up from Nogales, and found a couple of AZ related sites:

Site 3D6-0115
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Gila AFB Aux Field

Site 3D6-0116
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Child's Mtn near Ajo

Didn't have Unitrunker available, so no neighbor data. The info is from my 396.

Heard what sounded like ground troops training on TG 5039. Users were calling 'Snake Eye' in heavily accented English for clearances while traversing the range, and in comms with each other in a language other than English. Call signs heard sounded like 'JoJo Bravo' and Jojo Alpha' .

'Snake Eye' is the call sign for Barry Goldwater Range Control, managed by LAFB. [LAFB manages the eastern portion; the western pottion is managed by MCAS Yuma as the Yuma Traing Range Complex on the DOD 14C system]



Submitted and already updated in the DB
Snakeyes is also on Luke TG 5087 and 5089 and they talk about traffice on the Goldwater Ranges and Gila Bend Air Strip. That now makes sense they must be linked via the Texas Site.

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You guys that have monitored this longer may know what these belong to I'm only here a little bit so let's see... caught these so far today.

5087 Calls referenced "Striker" also "Snake Eye"
5039 Calls referenced "Snake Eye"
5003 Calls referenced "Top Hat"
5030 Calls referenced "Machine Shop"
5005 Calls referenced "Ammo"

5195 Calls from MOC sounded like an ALL CALL NET, user came back and had to repeat several times on other channels said NET wasn't working like on the old system
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I noticed that there are some new updates for Luke AFB. A few things that may help who ever is submitting the information. Air Force Security, Security Forces, etc are the Police. They combined both Law Enforcement and Security Police into one career field now known as Security Forces. There is no regular Security so these should be tagged as lawenforment, not security.

Also some of the descriptions are extermly long. Perfect example is "Range Management Office - "Snake Eye" eastern portion of the Barry M. Goldwater Air Force Range (BMGR)" How about just naming it Range Management Office 1 and Range Management Office 2 or Range Management East. A good example for descriptions would be Tyndall AFB located on the same site or Eglin AFB.

Last item is callsign use like top hat, striker, etc. We use a lot of call signs in the military. Try to find out the actual channel usage or name before submitting.

Last, Talkgroup 5063 Ground Control - Runway Access for ground vehicles should be Luke Tower. Ground operations are run from the tower at. Also the vehicles that talk to the tower use LMR's and not aircraft radios. This should be tagged as Military and not Aircraft. When tower/Ground does transmit, they do it simultaneously on the Trunk system and aircraft bands so air and ground traffic can hear what is going on. But aircraft can not hear what is said on the LMR net and vice versa.

Figure I just pass it on.
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Another new Talk Group on the Luke-Gila Bend-Child's Mtn system is

5084 - The GBAFAF Fire Department

I heard this on the Luke system and a comment was made by one of the units that he was hearing the Luke System.
GBAFAF is South of Gila Bend.

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Question TG 5004

Has anyone identified the user(s) of TG 5004? It seems to be used often.
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Has anyone identified the user(s) of TG 5004? It seems to be used often.
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It is one of the Aircraft Maintenance Units or Squads possibly the 309th

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I noticed that there are some new updates for Luke AFB. A few things that may help who ever is submitting the information. Air Force Security, Security Forces, etc are the Police. They combined both Law Enforcement and Security Police into one career field now known as Security Forces. There is no regular Security so these should be tagged as lawenforment, not security.

Also some of the descriptions are extermly long. Perfect example is "Range Management Office - "Snake Eye" eastern portion of the Barry M. Goldwater Air Force Range (BMGR)" How about just naming it Range Management Office 1 and Range Management Office 2 or Range Management East. A good example for descriptions would be Tyndall AFB located on the same site or Eglin AFB.

Last item is callsign use like top hat, striker, etc. We use a lot of call signs in the military. Try to find out the actual channel usage or name before submitting.

Last, Talkgroup 5063 Ground Control - Runway Access for ground vehicles should be Luke Tower. Ground operations are run from the tower at. Also the vehicles that talk to the tower use LMR's and not aircraft radios. This should be tagged as Military and not Aircraft. When tower/Ground does transmit, they do it simultaneously on the Trunk system and aircraft bands so air and ground traffic can hear what is going on. But aircraft can not hear what is said on the LMR net and vice versa.

Figure I just pass it on.
I have a quite a few tgids for Tyndall but I hear top hat and other call signs I figure wouldn't work on RRDB that's why I have submit any of them yet. I'll be working on it for awhile I've been busy working or not feeling good.
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I have also heard a lot of traffic and have been logging, Luke has over 80 TG's and over 700 Radio ID's, I have been trying to listen to one or two TG's at a time by using both my scanners and PRO96 program. I am not familiar with the work groups at Luke and that makes it harder to ID and submit to RRDB. I have only submitted those I am pretty sure of.

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I have also heard a lot of traffic and have been logging, Luke has over 80 TG's and over 700 Radio ID's, I have been trying to listen to one or two TG's at a time by using both my scanners and PRO96 program. I am not familiar with the work groups at Luke and that makes it harder to ID and submit to RRDB. I have only submitted those I am pretty sure of.

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I know the feeling. I have a feeling Tyndall is going to tricky on the other ones cause all they use is code names or call signs.
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You guys that have monitored this longer may know what these belong to I'm only here a little bit so let's see... caught these so far today.

5087 Calls referenced "Striker" also "Snake Eye"
5039 Calls referenced "Snake Eye"
5003 Calls referenced "Top Hat"
5030 Calls referenced "Machine Shop"
5005 Calls referenced "Ammo"

5195 Calls from MOC sounded like an ALL CALL NET, user came back and had to repeat several times on other channels said NET wasn't working like on the old system
Top Hat = 310 Fighter Squadron. This should be the unit MOCC talk group.
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Luke AFB squadron callsigns for reference:
Gambler - 21st
Top Dog - 61st
Spike - 62nd
Panther - 63rd
Emerald Knights - 308th
Wild Ducks - 309th
Top Hat - 310th
Widow - 425th

Ref Ground Control. If they ID as Ground Control, shouldn't they be listed as Ground Control in the DB?
Ground Control also comes up on Fire 2 - Crash as needed to give the apparatus clearance to cross the runway. I heard them this afternoon, as a matter of fact. (I only have the Fire TG's, and a Private Call wildcard programmed in. I do have a regular Wildcard programmed, but it's normally locked out.)
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FYI, Ground control is the Tower. Tower handles all ground operations. For the description to be true it should be named Luke Tower, Tower/Ground or just Tower.
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FYI, Ground control is the Tower. Tower handles all ground operations. For the description to be true it should be named Luke Tower, Tower/Ground or just Tower.
I agree could be the Base Ops TG.
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I agree could be the Base Ops TG.
Base Ops actually has it's own talk group separate from Tower.
Good examples Eglin LMR Net that I monitor everyday.
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Had a chance to hang around the perimeter road that runs the north side of the Luke (can't recall street) but had the PSR in stalker mode and picked up pilot to maintenance comms on both 141.4 and 141.95

On both freqs there were comms regarding instruments and or issues, 2 different pilot voices and crews so each freq must belong to a different squadron
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There are multiple air-air channels in the 138-144 MHz range. It would appear that the AMU's also have access to those channels.
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I took a ride down to Gila Bend Area today and confirmed the following

Gila Bend Auxiliary Air Force Base
System Id 3D6
Location Coord 32.878757 -112.733272
409.1625 Control
410.5625 Alternate Control & Voice
410.7625 Alternate Control & Voice

New Trunk Groups

5082 GBAFAF Tower Ground Control
5084 GBAFAF Fire Department
5085 GBAFAF Security
5087 BMGR Goldwater Range Control
5096 Unknown

Childs Peak Location 32.431265 -112.945370
410.3625 Control
409.9625 Alt Control
409.7625 Alt Control



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Can the Gila Bend fire and police TG's be heard on the Luke site, or are they limited to the Gila Bend site?
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Can the Gila Bend fire and police TG's be heard on the Luke site, or are they limited to the Gila Bend site?
They are normally only heard on the site they are registered with, i.e. Gila Bend site. But if a second unit in the same trunk group registered into the Luke site and the first is on Gila Bend, then the talk group will transimit on both sites. That was how I identified the GB fire units on their morning radio check. The radio check was on Gila Bend but there was a unit registered with the Luke site. Also most of the traffic you hear on TG 5087 or 5089 about the Barry Goldwater Range Management is on both sites, most of the time.

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Thanks. I'm primarily only interested in the FD. The PD did too many exercise's when it was on the old system, and I ended up locking out the main TG due to that. They tended to tie up my scanner on their TG, to the exclusion of hearing most other traffic in my other scan lists. (I need more scanners lol)
Most of the rest of the traffic isn't all that interesting most of the time, at least to me. I was scanning the FD and NET TG's on the old system.
What is the new NET TG?
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