2012-MOSWIN-Missouri Statewide Interop Network-Sites/Talkgroups

[talkpair]

FWIW - All of the MHP cars I have seen in the past few weeks still have the low band antennas on them

I would think they would keep everyone backward compatible with the low band at least until everyone is cut over..... in the event of a major incident where manpower is moved from a MOSWIN equipped area into low band country.

The same logic could be applied to the land stations as well. In the event of a major natural disaster, such as an earthquake, it seems risky to me to dismantle the low band bases and mobile relays if the incoming manpower isn't yet MOSWIN equipped.

The Winston Site has been licensed.

True, but I would expect another application for additional frequencies.

One thing I've noticed about the applications and licenses is that there is usually one application for the Federal frequencies, and a separate application for the traditional Part 90 frequencies.
Different sites are in different phases of the process.

The Avalon site for example has a 'granted' license for it's Part 90 frequencies, but the application for the Federal frequencies is still in 'pending' status. The same is true for the Princeton site.

The Lawson site only has 2 Federal FB8's on it's application. It's seems doubtful that this site can get by using only two channel pairs since it sits practically in the corner where Troop H, Troop A rural and metro intersect. It would just take a small band of freezing rain stretching from Plattsburg to Richmond to bring this site to capacity if a lot of officers were to converge in these areas to handle crashes.
I would expect to see an additional application for the Lawson site as well.

[scannerowner]

I believe that will happen eventually too... They need more frequencies on them. Also to add to your first note, I notice in all MSHP Cars are Kenwood radios that are capable of P25, so they may keep the lowband in the radios and upgrade them from there to P25. Their handhelds on the other hand would need to be upgraded because I believe they're Motorola HTs.

[Sprinter06]

Im in Jackson County and programmed my Pro-106 with the Indep site. Here is the issue... The RR channels 170.5125 and 171.3875 change to .51 and .385 in the 106. ??? Is there a global setting I need to change? I have been using software to program it maybe something changed somewhere. Been fine no issues maybe it's the band never tried anything 170s? The 169 channel entered correctly. Hmmm Updates fine. Time do dig a bit. Any thoughts?

[jayres]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

I believe that will happen eventually too... They need more frequencies on them. Also to add to your first note, I notice in all MSHP Cars are Kenwood radios that are capable of P25, so they may keep the lowband in the radios and upgrade them from there to P25. Their handhelds on the other hand would need to be upgraded because I believe they're Motorola HTs.

Actually, not quite...

The Kenwood's that are in their cars are TK-690's (lowband) and TK-790's (VHF) and are analog only. All the cars that have been coming out of the radio shop lately now also have an addditional radio; a Motorola APX Mobile that has a 1/4 wave VHF antenna on the top of the roof for MOSWIN Access.

[stlouisx50]

At home I am picking up 170.600 mhz and what sounds like some sort of trunking. I also get the same type of thing on another frequency in the 154 range, but can't recall the exact frequency.

This is not skip because I hear it daily.

There is no decoding showing up on the screen and I have not heard any audio other than the constant trunking type of sound.

I think this may be part of the mowin system due to the frequency being around the other frequencies that are listed .

[scannerowner]

Originally Posted by jayres

Actually, not quite...

The Kenwood's that are in their cars are TK-690's (lowband) and TK-790's (VHF) and are analog only. All the cars that have been coming out of the radio shop lately now also have an addditional radio; a Motorola APX Mobile that has a 1/4 wave VHF antenna on the top of the roof for MOSWIN Access.

I figured that's what they'd use, but thanks for clearing it up. How often are cars going to the shop?

[zzdiesel]

I just had to lockout my first TG. It is #3488. One side of the conversations was encrypted. It sounds like 2 officers out in the field.

[scannerowner]

It's prob Sikeston PD wouldn't you say?

[zzdiesel]

It is. I looked over it when I checked before I posted this. This thread needs to deleted. I try to look better next time.

[semo]

Originally Posted by zzdiesel

I just had to lockout my first TG. It is #3488. One side of the conversations was encrypted. It sounds like 2 officers out in the field.

One guy said he was near the Wardell exit. Thats a good way from Sikeston. The talkgroup IDs are close to South Scott EMS range and are not in Sikeston DPS range as far as I can tell. The jury is out on this one.

[zzdiesel]

I'm sure it was coming through the Bakerville tower.

[semo]

Originally Posted by semo

One guy said he was near the Wardell exit. Thats a good way from Sikeston. The talkgroup IDs are close to South Scott EMS range and are not in Sikeston DPS range as far as I can tell. The jury is out on this one.

I should have said radio IDs. I have been keeping track of MOSWIN radio IDs.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by stlouisx50

At home I am picking up 170.600 mhz and what sounds like some sort of trunking. I also get the same type of thing on another frequency in the 154 range, but can't recall the exact frequency.

This is not skip because I hear it daily.

There is no decoding showing up on the screen and I have not heard any audio other than the constant trunking type of sound.

I think this may be part of the mowin system due to the frequency being around the other frequencies that are listed .

Here in Chesterfield, I can detect that there is some kind of signal on 170.600 but it is too weak to really determine what it is. I can barely hear it on any of my Icom's and a PSR600. Something there for sure though.

I also did a manual sweep from 154 to 155.000 on an R9000 and did not find any P25 signals so I must not be able to hear that one at all if it is out there.

edit: I've also confirmed your findings that 170.6000 is a control channel. Ground wave picked up enough to allow me to clearly hear what appears to be a P25 control channel. Now to do some antenna switching to see if I can get the PSR600 to display some info.
It did flash the site ID for a split second but it was too fast for me to read. I'm close to getting enough signal to figure it out I think.

Well, my groundwave has died out so I guess I'll try again tomorrow. I tried removing my PAR filters but that just allowed all the local crud through and made things worse. I was hopimg the paging crud would have been at a low level being so late but it is just as active as always and my GRE radios are almost useless at VHF here due to their over sensitive front ends so I must keep the filters in place. By the time I decided to try a 996XT, the groundwave signals had dropped off. The 996 will run fine without the par filter in place so maybe I'll let it run all night with pro96com and see if I get anything overnight.

[kruser]

I've tried a whole slew of different outdoor antenna connections and just cannot get enough signal to get a lock on the 170.600 CC for an ID.
I can hear it by ear though so maybe groundwave will pickup again tonight long enough to get an ID on it.

The PSR600 will still flash some info on the screen that appears to be a ID but it goes away faster than I can read it. I wish I had a video cam I could hookup and try and capture it that way but I don't have anything that I can setup easily.
All my old camcorders are long ago dead and it's not worth the trouble of finding them and powering one up.

I wish it would stay up long enough for Pro96com to capture something but it has not done such so far.

[kruser]

I'm not sure that 170.600 is part of the MOSWIN system.
Groundwave picked up last night pretty well and the PSR600 was able to try and capture the CC data and display info.

The think that I saw popup the most was M36 which I think indicates a 3600 baud Motorola control channel.
It would also display talkgroups ID's that did change.
Of course this could all be false info due to the week signal but when I compare the audio from a P25 CC and what I'm hearing on 170.600, it is different. So I think 170.600 is a Motorla system but not a P25 system at 9600 baud.
Probably a federal system out there somewhere.

I tried running a couple other control channel decoders but there is just not enoough signal for any of them to show anything. The best I have is what pops up on the PSR600 screen. The data sounds much better and cleaner on my 996XT but it does not display anything on its display. The 996 will usually mute the audio when it actually starts detecting CC data and it is not muting anything so it also must not be seeing enough signal even though it sure sounds better too my ears.

[stlouisx50]

Originally Posted by kruser

I'm not sure that 170.600 is part of the MOSWIN system.
Groundwave picked up last night pretty well and the PSR600 was able to try and capture the CC data and display info.

The think that I saw popup the most was M36 which I think indicates a 3600 baud Motorola control channel.
It would also display talkgroups ID's that did change.
Of course this could all be false info due to the week signal but when I compare the audio from a P25 CC and what I'm hearing on 170.600, it is different. So I think 170.600 is a Motorla system but not a P25 system at 9600 baud.
Probably a federal system out there somewhere.

I tried running a couple other control channel decoders but there is just not enoough signal for any of them to show anything. The best I have is what pops up on the PSR600 screen. The data sounds much better and cleaner on my 996XT but it does not display anything on its display. The 996 will usually mute the audio when it actually starts detecting CC data and it is not muting anything so it also must not be seeing enough signal even though it sure sounds better too my ears.

The other frequency is 154.665 . It sounds like the 170.600. The signal is very low where i am too. I am picking it up using my home built antenna , inside my house.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by stlouisx50

The other frequency is 154.665 . It sounds like the 170.600. The signal is very low where i am too. I am picking it up using my home built antenna , inside my house.

Ok, 154.665 is quiet for me right now but I'll try it after sunset and see if I can hear anything.

[Thunderbolt]

The state of Missouri has three license applications pending before the FCC, to use the frequency of 170.600 MHz. I wonder if it's any of these sites? They are as follows:

1. Stanberry, located in Gentry County.
2. Aullville, located in Lafayette County.
3. Lebanon, located in Laclede County.

73's


Ron

[kruser]

Ron, I've also been watching for FCC apps but none are anywhere near my location unless I'm seeing some really good ground wave which is not unheard of this time of year it seems.

I tried the 154.665 frequency last night and I could never detect the slightest hint of a signal.
I found something kinda funny though, it seems the PSR600 will flash M36 in the display even when tuned to a frequency with no signal.
I guess the white noise triggers it and the PSR600 cannot distinguish the difference.
So know I'm back to being confused with the 170.600 frequency. Were the M36 display flashes real or false? The CC data did sound different than a typical P25 CC signal so I still feel that freq may be another system out there and not P25 but then who knows being as they would have just turned this on so maybe it runs different at first during the initial testing phase.
Living here in St. Louis County, I'm still hoping I'll be able to pickup some of the neighboring counties that use VHF for MOSWIN. More so to give me something new to monitor than anything!
I'm still curious as to how they will tie the 800 and VHF systems together in the large metro areas that are going to use existing 800 or 700 systems.

[stlouisx50]

Originally Posted by kruser

Ron, I've also been watching for FCC apps but none are anywhere near my location unless I'm seeing some really good ground wave which is not unheard of this time of year it seems.

I tried the 154.665 frequency last night and I could never detect the slightest hint of a signal.
I found something kinda funny though, it seems the PSR600 will flash M36 in the display even when tuned to a frequency with no signal.
I guess the white noise triggers it and the PSR600 cannot distinguish the difference.
So know I'm back to being confused with the 170.600 frequency. Were the M36 display flashes real or false? The CC data did sound different than a typical P25 CC signal so I still feel that freq may be another system out there and not P25 but then who knows being as they would have just turned this on so maybe it runs different at first during the initial testing phase.
Living here in St. Louis County, I'm still hoping I'll be able to pickup some of the neighboring counties that use VHF for MOSWIN. More so to give me something new to monitor than anything!
I'm still curious as to how they will tie the 800 and VHF systems together in the large metro areas that are going to use existing 800 or 700 systems.

My mistake , try 154.935 instead.