2012-MOSWIN-Missouri Statewide Interop Network-Sites/Talkgroups

[kruser]

Originally Posted by KC0CSE

what are the "Events" talkgroups anyone know yet for the MO HWP?...is it worth putting in?..and are most of you now just using the "WildCard" only at this time for the different Troops?..

No answer yet on the Events TG's. I'm using Uniden's for my actual scanning and on those you put them into ID Search mode which is pretty much the same thing as setting a wildcard on a GRE unit.
I'd advise using a wildcard or ID Search mode if you have live sites as you never know who may come up on the system.

For the existing 700/800 sites here in St. Louis, I locked out ALL the normal city or St. Charles talkgroups and am watching for new talkgroups that could be MOSWIN related. So far I've not found any.
The only traffic (other than zone testing) I've heard on the few VHF MOSWIN sites I can copy was a single conversation of someone at Lambert Airport that may have been calling someone at Jeff City. That user came over the New Hope site which is about 40 miles north northeast of me. Otherwise, not a peep of official traffic yet!
I did setup dedicated scan groups for the new Weldon Spring site I found today as well as the Imperial site that came online a few days ago. I get great signals from both site but I only say talkgroup a radio using talkgroup 5 affiliate with the Weldon Spring site but did not hear any talk. The affiliation dropped off about 15 minutes later.
The user had a radio id of 4856.

[nick1427d]

Been getting great signal from Imperial site here in Illinois. Also programmed in the Jeffco Simulcast and am getting great signal, so I'd imagine they are linked or same tower.

I figure the database will be changing a lot as they move along with this system.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by nick1427d

Been getting great signal from Imperial site here in Illinois. Also programmed in the Jeffco Simulcast and am getting great signal, so I'd imagine they are linked or same tower.

I figure the database will be changing a lot as they move along with this system.

Nick,

What freq(s) are you putting in for the Jeffco simulcast? I mean, which Jeffco simulcast frequency are you getting a control channel signal on?

[nick1427d]

St. Louis Regional Communications (P25) Trunking System, St Louis Metro Area, Missouri - Scanner Frequencies

Jefferson County Simulcast South:
I believe the CC is 851.2375

Moswin
Imperial: CC 152.600

I'm getting nothing on Jeffco North. Considering the geography I'm wondering if Jeffco North is actually the South tower. Or maybe North isn't online.

Anyone know the exact locations of these two?

[kruser]

Originally Posted by nick1427d

St. Louis Regional Communications (P25) Trunking System, St Louis Metro Area, Missouri - Scanner Frequencies

Jefferson County Simulcast South:
I believe the CC is 851.2375

Moswin
Imperial: CC 152.600

I'm getting nothing on Jeffco North. Considering the geography I'm wondering if Jeffco North is actually the South tower. Or maybe North isn't online.

Anyone know the exact locations of these two?

No kidding! I did not think the new Jeffco 800 system was even online yet!
I must swing the beam that way and see if I can get a signal from the south or north site then. Do you know what the site ID is reported as for the North system on 851.2375? Hold your scanner on the CC and the display should alternate the info. If using a Uniden, I think you must be in Display Mode 1 or 2 and for a GRE, you can just hit the Tune button and manually enter the CC frequency and it will alternate the info. The value called SID would be the system ID after it locks onto the CC signal for a few seconds.

I could always here Jeffco's VHF channels really well up here but I kinda figured I'd be out of luck when they went with the 800 system.

Thanks for that info!

You should submit it if the North Jeffco site is on the air as it is still listed as being dark and off the air.

[nick1427d]

Should've looked harder before I posted.

The Jeffco North site looks to be located in Arnold near the movie Theater. The same Jeffco North frequencies are listed near West outer road 21.

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[kruser]

Originally Posted by nick1427d

Should've looked harder before I posted.

The Jeffco North site looks to be located in Arnold near the movie Theater. The same Jeffco North frequencies are listed near West outer road 21.

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That's OK, I kept referencing the North site in my post above when I meant the south site!

I just finished running all the listed freqs through with the beam aimed towards Jeffco and no signals at all for me on any of them.

Can you hear the Weldon Spring control channel on 152.6600?

It is stronger here than the Imperial site on 152.6000 is for me.
Still no voice traffic from either site though. I guess that will be a while.

[kruser]

I took a drive out around Troop C in Weldon Spring.
The signal for site 316 as listed in Pro96com is super strong out there.

I did not drive to the exact tower coordinates but it was enough to confirm the signal is from that area. I could get the CC with a paperclip on a PSR500.

[kruser]

Getting daily talkgroup affiliations on site 316 with talkgroups 5 and 7, both listed as Troop C dispatch and then one oddball TG of 5302 using a Radio ID of 49000 which I think I've seen before when they were doing zone testing at the New Hope site several weeks ago.

Still no voice traffic heard or logged though on 316(Weldon Spring) or 327 (Imperial).

[kruser]

Today I saw several affiliations with the new Weldon Spring site 316.

I saw TG 5 and 55, 56, 57, 58, 59 and 60.

The ones from 55 through 60 are all listed as Troop E talkgroups.
Not really any voice chatter however from any of the Troop E TG's.
Talkgroup 5 was the main one active with voice.

The voice channels were 152.0300 and 152.5100 as they are listed here in the database.

Nothing at all on the new Imperial tower site 327 and I think it says it is still in "Site Trunking Mode" instead of "Connected" whatever that means.

After looking at logs, it appears the Troop E traffic was official traffic coming off the Weldon Spring site 316.
All the logs for Troop C zone testing were on the Weldon Spring tower. The traffic I recorded from Troop E was an actual trooper calling in.
The Troop C chatter was all zone testing from Warren County and St. Clair county but I wonder if St. Clair was meant to mean the city and not the county as St. Clair County is way west of here in Troop D's area.

[rescue903]

Originally Posted by kruser

The Troop C chatter was all zone testing from Warren County and St. Clair county but I wonder if St. Clair was meant to mean the city and not the county as St. Clair County is way west of here in Troop D's area.

They have been doing testing over here, too. Testing being done on the Deepwater site using TG's 5 & 20055 so I'm sure you could have heard someone in St. Clair County.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by rescue903

They have been doing testing over here, too. Testing being done on the Deepwater site using TG's 5 & 20055 so I'm sure you could have heard someone in St. Clair County.

I wondered about that after I posted. Thinking they are testing the across the state capabilities. Seemed to work very well!

It should prove the be a very neat system to monitor as long as they don't decide to go the encryption route at some point in time.
That would be bad.

I'm still going to miss the low band system though. I've spent countless hours messing with antennas and pulling in every troop in the state over the years. It has been a lot of fun!

[AC0RV]

Does anyone have any type of timeframe when or if they will being doing any type of testing in the St Francois County area (Farmington) ?

[scannerowner]

Sorry it's kinda hard to read, my computer is messing up. I've got a lot of interference, but hope someone can read it and see what I see.

[KC0CSE]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

Sorry it's kinda hard to read, my computer is messing up. I've got a lot of interference, but hope someone can read it and see what I see.

So what are you picking up?..are they on the air....nothing here...at 108th N oak

[kruser]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

Sorry it's kinda hard to read, my computer is messing up. I've got a lot of interference, but hope someone can read it and see what I see.

Do that same thing but put the scanner on the Winston Control Channel of 169.88750 and post some screen shots.
I'm just looking to see what it says your decode rate is for the Winston site.
This site is Lawson and it's only showing a decode rate around 30%.

Also, before you try Winston, click the tabs at the bottom and see if it shows any affiliations.

It's hard to see but it looks like zero affiliations which is normal if nobody is using the tower yet.
At least it is connecting to several neighboring toowers including Winston site 141.

[wbigcount]

Lawson site has been quiet after the testing was done, and the same for Jackson County.

What about site 121 CC 155.6175, anyone know where it is?

[scannerowner]

I've also wondered where site 121 is, it's not in the database. For Winston I can't get a decent decode with the interference issues by my computer, that is also the case with the Lawson Site, which has shown stronger when away from the interference.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

I've also wondered where site 121 is, it's not in the database. For Winston I can't get a decent decode with the interference issues by my computer, that is also the case with the Lawson Site, which has shown stronger when away from the interference.

Can you do an outdoor antenna? That will greatly help reduce the interference from your computer as it gets the signals outside and away from any noise generators located indoors such as your computer and most consumer electronics made today.

I bet that would also help a lot with your Winston site problem!

Even a magnetic mount antenna stuck on a porch or balcony railing would be better than an indoor antenna as long as you don't need to extend the coax. Most mobile antennas come with small RG-58 which is ok for VHF but not worth a darn at 700 and up. Even 400, it starts showing its poor attenuation qualities.

What are the exterior walls of your home constructed with? If metal, that will also reduce the signal levels indoors.
I had a buddy that lived in a mobile home and he kept trying the stock antennas. They did not work worth a darn because of the metal skin of the mobile home. I gave him a radioshack magnet mount mobile and he ran the cable through a window and stuck it on a window AC unit.
He was amazed at how much his reception improved.
My apartment is Stucco on the exterior. The Stucco is attached to a wire mesh or lathe that attenuates the heck out of signals so an outdoor antenna is a must here. The steel mesh that holds the stucco in place also helps by keeping indoor noise indoors and away from the external antennas.
If you rent, then you may need to get creative with how you get the coax outdoors so as to not cause any damage that can't be repaired or reversed. If the owner has antenna restrictions, you can usually get creative in that area also and build a 1/4 wave dipole with simple lamp cord. Something like that can be easily hidden.

It sounds to me that you need improvement in the antenna area. You may still not get full strength signals from Winston and Lawson but I bet it will be a huge help and give you near perfect reception.

[scannerowner]

I can't do an antenna on the roof, but wondering what mobile back of set antenna's to use and a portable antenna.