2012-MOSWIN-Missouri Statewide Interop Network-Sites/Talkgroups

[scannerowner]

Nothing up here in Troop H, still using Point to Point and normal low band stuff.

[zzdiesel]

It stopped around dark and I haven't heard anything since on MOSWIN.

[baretta29]

I just heard SHP car 1136 talking to Cameron. Cameron was also talking to DPS and Daviess County.

[talkpair]

Originally Posted by baretta29

I just heard SHP car 1136 talking to Cameron. Cameron was also talking to DPS and Daviess County.

Did you happen to notice the talk group?

Clinton county was heard earlier this week testing with one of their cars on talk group 26001. They referred to it as "County All".

I don't know if this a county, regional or statewide talk group.....I'm fairly sure this is the same talk group I overheard Cameron PD and Maryville DPS using a couple weeks ago.

[rcnurd]

I have been monitoring MOSWIN here in Imperial all last week on the Imperial (High Ridge) site and have logged a few talkgroups not in the database. I have talkgroups 1, 11, 61, 64, 68, 901, 6501, 6502, 6503, 10308, 22304, 23901, 23905, 23909, 23913, and 24802. I caught these on the Pro96com software, but was in the analyze mode so no voice to determine who they are...

[zzdiesel]

I heard a scale house today for the first time in a couple of years. It was the scale house at Steele on I-55 talking to Poplar Bluff checking for 10-18 on MOSWIN.

[baretta29]

Originally Posted by talkpair

Did you happen to notice the talk group?

Clinton county was heard earlier this week testing with one of their cars on talk group 26001. They referred to it as "County All".

I don't know if this a county, regional or statewide talk group.....I'm fairly sure this is the same talk group I overheard Cameron PD and Maryville DPS using a couple weeks ago.

They were using talk group 23540. Also heard Cameron DOC, Clinton and Caldwell County using talk groups 23540 and 10313.

[scannerowner]

I keep wishing I'd hear more. I can't wait til they transition over to it full time! Audio sounds great and I wish my reception would get better for the sites around me!!

[JRsTheMAN]

Lots of testing today from Troop D Springfield, MO. Great signal and quality from the Cassville Tower. Also noticed a possible new site just East of Monett. Antenna's are mounted, but no transmitter yet.

I cant wait until Barry County switches. They are on their last leg on one of their repeaters. Sounds horrible!

[talkpair]

Lots of testing today from Troop D Springfield, MO.

Are you noticing more than one voice channel being utilized?

There's little to no traffic on the Lawson site right now, but what little there is goes out on the same voice channel.

[zzdiesel]

I'm waiting Dunklin County and/or Kennett PD to switch over.

[scannerowner]

Does anyone know which agencies will be using MOSWIN for their routine ops?

[kruser]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

Does anyone know which agencies will be using MOSWIN for their routine ops?

I've been wondering the same but have not seen much info posted other than what users have heard and reported. One would think that many of the rural counties would join the system at some point unless they recently invested in new equipment to meet the narrowbanding ruling.
Those guys may stay put for a while on their own systems.

For example, STL County is installing their own system as is Jefferson County. Both 800 MHz systems. For the STL County system, they are looking for a lot of the local muni's (within stl county) to join that system. I've not seen much on who plans on joining into that system either other than some talk about changes in fire dispatch across the county. I don't think that system will be alive until late next year myself. They have it licensed but that is about it. No word if any new towers are being constructed at the license coordinates listed. Some already have towers so they may use them. I don't even think construction has started on the new EOC (Now the ECC) yet. The current EOC is just down the street from me and they can do full dispatch on all current county VHF frequencies from the EOC. Some signals do come from the towers located at the current EOC but most come from other locations located nearer the precincts they serve. Dispatch is done from Clayton, MO but they have a full dispatch setup at the EOC in time of need. I'm not sure but I think all county dispatch will move from Clayton to the new ECC whenever it is built. No idea how this system will tie into MOSWIN yet but the new sites were listed with the MOSWIN database page here at one time a while back. Those listings are now gone from the MOSWIN page now.


St. Charles county has a 700 MHz system already but I've read something about an 800 MHz system instead of the 700 MHz system they are currently using. I could be confusing the City of St. Charles with St. Charles County.
The St. Charles 700 MHz system does carry the same 1CE system ID which is the same as the City of St. Louis 800 system and I think Independance, MO. Of course MOSWIN is also 1CE.
I think there is a 700 MHz system in Jefferson City that is slated to be a part of MOSWIN but I don't recall the system ID and if that system is currently used by the city or the state.
As far as rural counties, I guess it is too early to tell until the system is fully up and running but you would think many would join into MOSWIN if given the chance.

Watch Starcom in Illinois, they change things there pretty often with some of the small towns dropping off of the system and then some joining it. Starcom is huge though and it looks like they picked up a LOT of the smaller towns and cities in that state. If MOSWIN works out like Starcom, it could be nearly everyone as long as each site can handle the capacity.

I know it is going to be fun watching the MOSWIN system grow!

[JRsTheMAN]

@talkpair I have only been able to listen to the one site because I didn't travel far. I am heading from Aurora, MO to Kearney, MO Friday morning. Hope to catch more testing.

[iamhere300]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

Does anyone know which agencies will be using MOSWIN for their routine ops?

With it in the initial stages, it is going to be a slow road for many agencies to switch. One of the big issues is portable coverage - MOSWIN is built to mobile coverage, and many of the local agencies want/need/desire portable coverage where MOSWIN will not have it.

Other agencies are just completing the paperwork and MOU's. While Motorola has been able to sell radios and put them on the system for a while now, the other vendors are just now being cut loose to put their radios on the system. Many agencies have purchased Tait/Icom/Kenwood/Harris in anticipation of the system being opened up (after subsriber unit testing) and will start migrating now.

One of the things pushed during the budget hearings for the system is the system would be robust enough that many agencies will not only be able, but they will want to come on the system.

In comparison to the Starcom system - Starcom has healthy user fees, and "bonus" fees if you want to put non-motorola equipment on the system. MOSWIN has neither, a big plus for the MOSWIN system.

[scannerowner]

Originally Posted by iamhere300

With it in the initial stages, it is going to be a slow road for many agencies to switch. One of the big issues is portable coverage - MOSWIN is built to mobile coverage, and many of the local agencies want/need/desire portable coverage where MOSWIN will not have it.

Other agencies are just completing the paperwork and MOU's. While Motorola has been able to sell radios and put them on the system for a while now, the other vendors are just now being cut loose to put their radios on the system. Many agencies have purchased Tait/Icom/Kenwood/Harris in anticipation of the system being opened up (after subsriber unit testing) and will start migrating now.

One of the things pushed during the budget hearings for the system is the system would be robust enough that many agencies will not only be able, but they will want to come on the system.

In comparison to the Starcom system - Starcom has healthy user fees, and "bonus" fees if you want to put non-motorola equipment on the system. MOSWIN has neither, a big plus for the MOSWIN system.

How will they increase portable usage? I always wonder if they'll add more sites eventually to be able to cover all areas well.

[zzdiesel]

They'll have to add a site between here at Bakerville here in the Bootheel & Benton. Somewhere like in New Madrid or somewhere,

[KC0CSE]

Originally Posted by zzdiesel

They'll have to add a site between here at Bakerville here in the Bootheel & Benton. Somewhere like in New Madrid or somewhere,

This is starting to get above my head......someone break it down for me.....

[kruser]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

How will they increase portable usage? I always wonder if they'll add more sites eventually to be able to cover all areas well.

That or they will continue using some type of mobile relays or extenders much like they do today.

[semo]

Originally Posted by zzdiesel

They'll have to add a site between here at Bakerville here in the Bootheel & Benton. Somewhere like in New Madrid or somewhere,

They already do at Sikeston. Sadly, populated areas like Cape Girardeau city also has poor coverage.

I would simply like to hear the highway patrol use the system as designed, as it is now it is a backup system only. Seems like they have taken on too much too soon by installing towers and testing in several troops when the "phase one" areas (Troop E) isn't being utilized much. Its is kinda frustrating to see AmerenUE converting to P25 faster.