2012-MOSWIN-Missouri Statewide Interop Network-Sites/Talkgroups

[qt31005]

Hi everyone I amin need of help. Ok I have the BCD396T (YES THE OLD ONE) I want to listen to state Troop A but not sure how to program it. I put in the Jackson Co and Clay Co Frq in two different banks or systems as they are called. But i am not getting anything. Cansomeone please help. O ya I am useing the radio shack 800 ant I am useing Freescan to do the programing

[kruser]

Originally Posted by qt31005

Hi everyone I amin need of help. Ok I have the BCD396T (YES THE OLD ONE) I want to listen to state Troop A but not sure how to program it. I put in the Jackson Co and Clay Co Frq in two different banks or systems as they are called. But i am not getting anything. Cansomeone please help. O ya I am useing the radio shack 800 ant I am useing Freescan to do the programing

First off, the system is almost all VHF so you may not be getting a signal if using the antenna made for 800 MHz that you mentioned. You will need a VHF antenna for this system. There are a few 700 or 800 MHz sites planned for the system. Plus some of the large cities existing 700 or 800 MHz systems are supposed to carry some MOSWIN traffic. If you can monitor the Independance, MO system, keep an eye on it for new talkgroups. So far here in St. Louis, I have not heard any MOSWIN talkgroups on the large system in St. Louis City or the smaller 700 MHz system out in St. Charles. The only MOSWIN traffic I've heard is the testing as they brought new sites online and then once in a while, a user from Sikeston will travel this way and affiliate with the Imperial, MO site which then allows me to hear Sikeston traffic.

A user must be affiliated with the towers or sites that you can receive otherwise they will not be heard if the few users using the system are not in your area of the Troop A area.

Right now, there is hardly any traffic on the system. State is still using the low band system in most areas.

I can get at least four sites here in my area and have not heard a single peep since they finished testing a few weeks back. Low band is still as active is it normally is though for Troop C.

I've been seeing reports of Troop A traffic being heard on a site or two out in your area so give it some time for them to get the radios in the cars and more users online. Then you should start hearing some state traffic.
Just remember that a trooper must be affiliated with one of the sites you can hear before you will hear anything from Troop A.

Can you get a signal from either of the control channels from Jackson or Clay Counties on your 396T? Both of those counties came online a while back so they should be long done with zone testing.
You may not be getting a signal using an 800 MHz antenna as both of the sites you put in are VHF sites (150 to 170 MHz). The 800 MHz antenna does not do very well at all for VHF sites unless they are very close to you.

[qt31005]

ok thank you for the info. One more thing ok if a officer enters a different tower wil he have to go to a different CH or will the radio just do it. Also can i enter more than one tower in the same system. Ok i lied two things lol

[kruser]

Originally Posted by qt31005

ok thank you for the info. One more thing ok if a officer enters a different tower wil he have to go to a different CH or will the radio just do it. Also can i enter more than one tower in the same system. Ok i lied two things lol

Their radio will switch automatically.
If the officer wishes to talk with another deparment or maybe go to some type if tactical channel, then he would change talkgroups which is almost the same thing as changing channels.

As far as I know, the older T models can only have one site (tower) per system programmed. I don't see any reason you could not program just the control channels for several sites though and then just lockout the ones you don't want at the time. That's the problem though, you will often want to scan all the sites that you can clearly receive. The older T models will stop and sit on the 1st good Control Channel they find. It won't continue and check the other sites control channels you may have programmed. So you must program each site into a new system on a T model if you wish to scan more than one site.
The newer XT models will sit on a CC in a system for a short time looking for activity and then move on to the next CC and so on all in the same system.
The T models may still need to be set to control channel only mode. Not sure on that one though. I know the XT's always run in control channel only mode on P25 sites and it cannot be changed. I own many so it is easy to get confused or forget!

At least that is how I understand multisite and the T models after reading some of the posts around here asking a similar questions about the older T models and multiple sites such as MOSWIN has.

Don't get rid of your T model! They can be set to a true Manual P25 mode with a different setting for EACH system. That can help bunches for systems that have troubles such as some simulcast sites.
If you need multisite in one system, buy an XT and keep the T if you can afford both!

[d_stew]

I have a BCD396T, and I'm able to program multiple site control channels in one system. When driving from one system into another, the radio seamlessly locks onto the new CC once it loses the previous, of course as long as you program all the control channels of a system.

You can even hold on one talkgroup and it still switches to the new site's control channel.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by d_stew

I have a BCD396T, and I'm able to program multiple site control channels in one system. When driving from one system into another, the radio seamlessly locks onto the new CC once it loses the previous, of course as long as you program all the control channels of a system.

You can even hold on one talkgroup and it still switches to the new site's control channel.

I should have pointed that out that it will search for a new CC when you are mobile and travel out of range of the current site.

I listen mostly at home though and must program a new system for each site as I like to monitor about 4 sites on the system.
Your method may not always lock onto the strongest site either, it's going to lock onto the next one it can receive which may not be the nearest site.
It's still a good point though that you can kind of have multiple sites per system and the radio will switch sites when the current site drops out of range.

Thanks for bringing that up as it may be all some users need.

[qt31005]

Thank you two for the info it helped a ton. I do hope MSHP gets all their radios up and going soon. I was happy to hear Jackson CO on their system (Being able to hear the cars) it sucks onlying hearing dispatch lol

[KC0CSE]

Originally Posted by hkrharry

This is from a friendly MHP radio tech....

Top center spring loaded is a 1/4 wave, 18.5" long.

Behind it on the roof is a phantom whip less for the 148.600 low-band repeater

On the chargers, passenger side trunk is either a VHF or an 800 MHz 1/4 wave for the scanner.

Center of trunk is base loaded 1/4 wave for 42 MHz, trunk drivers side is a 1/4 wave for VHF mobile radio.

On hood is a 700 MHz 1/4 wave for the 700 side of the MoSWIN radio, and back trunk deck is another 700 MHz 1/4 wave for the mobile repeater for the MoSWIN extenders.

HH

I think this is the antenna they are using...got it on e-bay ...around 18inches spring loaded

[bshockme]

See my prior post with the motorola part number.... That is what they are using.


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[KC0CSE]

Originally Posted by bshockme

See my prior post with the motorola part number.... That is what they are us
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we are talking about the one on the roof

[bshockme]

Correct. That is what I am referencing.


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[bshockme]

This is it, though in this picture it is disassembled.

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[KC0CSE]

Originally Posted by bshockme

This is it, though in this picture it is disassembled.

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well I thought I found it...I guess not...thanks for the heads up....I guess mine is close...

[bshockme]

Same design.... It would function the same.


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[KC0CSE]

Originally Posted by bshockme

Same design.... It would function the same.


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Thanks I found that antenna last night...

[rural457]

I'm about to show how little I know, but I have a question: In Zone 3, the City of Rolla (which is the host agency for all county communications) relinquished 4 of their 6 frequencies as they became an agency using MOSWIN. At this point, they are the only agency using MOSWIN in the county. So I was just doing some checking today to see if I could find which specific ones they "relinquished.". What I found is confusing. I searched on the FCC site for 154.845 within the Rolla, MO area. It still shows the City of Rolla with an active frequency but also now shows State of MO with the same. Is this normal? I understand MOSWIN is digital trunked, and the old frequency is conventional use. Is the City of Rolla still allowed to operate the frequency in conventional mode?

[rural457]

Originally Posted by rural457

I'm about to show how little I know, but I have a question: In Zone 3, the City of Rolla (which is the host agency for all county communications) relinquished 4 of their 6 frequencies as they became an agency using MOSWIN. At this point, they are the only agency using MOSWIN in the county. So I was just doing some checking today to see if I could find which specific ones they "relinquished.". What I found is confusing. I searched on the FCC site for 154.845 within the Rolla, MO area. It still shows the City of Rolla with an active frequency but also now shows State of MO with the same. Is this normal? I understand MOSWIN is digital trunked, and the old frequency is conventional use. Is the City of Rolla still allowed to operate the frequency in conventional mode?

Ok, before anyone responds. I went back and searched FCC licenses today and it's not the same. Not sure what's up.

[kf4ald]

TG 20301 active on Site 007 - Bloomfield. Two MI Dept of Revenue users (self-identified talkgroup as DOR COMM).


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[N2JDS]

Was monitoring Ranger 19 talking to another unit tonight on MOSWIN, I missed the other unit. R-19 was on Weldon Spring (Troop C) tower, I think at Busch Wildlife trail area. TGID 20902 and UID14215

[erniestl]

Hello
I was wondering if you could tell me if my pro-162 can get dent county now? If not what do I need to look for when I buy another that would?
Thanks
Ernie