2012-MOSWIN-Missouri Statewide Interop Network-Sites/Talkgroups

[scannerowner]

No your Pro-162 will not pickup MOSWIN. You will need a P25 digital scanner to pick it up. I'm using a Uniden BCD396XT and BCD996T and receive the system fine.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by erniestl

Hello
I was wondering if you could tell me if my pro-162 can get dent county now? If not what do I need to look for when I buy another that would?
Thanks
Ernie

The RadioShack Pro-106 and 197 are both digital models that will get the new digital systems like MOSWIN is. Those models are the same as the GRE PSR-500 and 600. One is a portable and the other is a mobile/base.
The other options are as scannerowner pointed out, the Uniden 396XT and 996XT. The 396 is a portable and the 996 is a mobile or base.
Then Uniden also sells the Home Patrol which is a nice touch screen based scanner that gets its updates via the internet each week. It works fantastic for MOSWIN but relies upon the users here at this site to add active frequencies into the database here. If users or a database admin do not add the active frequencies into the database, the home patrol will not get those frequencies or channels. The HomePatrol can be manually updated with new frequencies using the Sentinel software that is included with the scanner. It is a nice scanner if you don't want to mess with programming. Plus, you do not need to be a premium subscriber to this site for it to get its updates each week.
I still find the site very valuable myself so I'd always support the site and become a premium member.

The other current option is the GRE PSR-800. It is also internet driver like the HomePatrol and gets updates once per week. It also suffers from the same problem as the HomePatrol though which is if the database here is not updated with the info you are after, you will not get it on that model. I think you can use its included EZ-Scan software and manually add things though.

Then you have the past Uniden models, the 396T and 996T. Notice they do not have the X in the model number. They are now older models but pick up MOSWIN very well. Look around places like eBay and you may find one for a decent price but they usually still get a fair amount for them.
There were a couple older Uniden models that used a card that enabled P25 digital reception also but I can't recall the model numbers. Oh, the old RadioShack Pro-96 and Pro-2096 also get MOSWIN good.

Radioshack often puts the 106 and 197 on sale so that may be the way to go. Digital scanners in general are not cheap. I have seen the two mentioned 106 nd 197 for right at $300 before though. If you are in a large metro area, you may be better served with one of the Uniden models. The GRE models and RadioShack models (radioshacks are made by GRE) are all very susceptible to interference or signal overload from local FM Broadcast stations and other VHF signal such as paging signals. The Uniden's handle that very well.
They all will require you to re-learn programming a scanner if you don't buy the self programming models like the HomePatrol or PSR800. Things have changed a whole lot over the past few years! Luckily, almost all modern day scanners can now be programmed via software. The Uniden 396 and 996 series even have a nice free application called Freescan that works fantastic for programming those models. Plus, if you have a premium membership here, Freescan will pull in all the stuff you want right from the database here including alpha tags and all. You can still program those models by hand but I think you will quickly find out using software like Freescan will save you a LOT of time and headaches plus preserve your keypad! I still learned how to program all mine by hand for the times I may be away from a computer. There are several other software packages for almost all digital scanners but they are usually not free.
I think the only digital model that does not have 3rd party programming software is the GRE PSR-800 and whatever the RadioShack clone of that model is. The included software works well for that model though. There is some 3rd party software that allows some programming of the HomePatrol also. I myself never really liked it though and just use the included Sentinel software as it does all I need.
I've read that the Uniden HomePatrol is now showing up at some RadioShack stores but they are not cheap.
I'd advise trying to find a store with one that you can mess with before buying one as they are totally touch screen. I'm not sure if there is an online HomePatrol simulator that would let you get the feel for a scanner like that or not. The HP has a website: www.homepatrol.com that is a good place to check for better info. Uniden also sells an Extreme Upgrade for another $100 dollars that adds a lot of neat features to the base model. That upgrade is NOT needed for normal scanning though. The scanner works just fine without the Extreme upgrade unlike what some users think. I've read several threads here from users complaining they must spend another 100 bucks to make the HomePatrol work but that is simply not true. It is not needed but can be added at any time down the road if you see features you may like that it offers.

Oh well, hope this helps. Not sure what your budget is for a new scanner but expect to spend at least $300+ even when RadioShack puts their models on sale. I think their normal sale price is more around $399 and $300 is rare.

edit: Judging by your username here, it looks like you may be in St. Louis. If so, I think you would be wise to go with the Uniden models.
Mainly for the overload problem on the GRE or RadioShack models. That is a real problem here in St. Louis. MOSWIN is almost all VHF and that is the band that the GRE or RadioShack clones have the worst overload problem on. Plus, the STL City P25 sytem uses mixed clear and encrypted talk on the same talkgroup. You will quickly get sick of hearing the encrypted noise on the system as the GRE 500 or 600 and RadioShack 106 or 197 do not mute the encrypted chatter. The Uniden's all detect when encryption is being used and keep on scanning for clear talk. Now if you are in Dent County like your thread title kind of indicates, you should be ok with either brand I'd think.

[stlouisx50]

Yesterday on 152.660 (Weldon Springs Site) I heard TG-20263. Both parties called each other rangers. I would assume the rangers are MO DNR.

Today I heard TG-20902 also on the 152.660 (Weldon Springs Site) which both parties called each other rangers. They specifically were talking about working in parks around Lincoln County and may have mentioned another county or specific park name but I missed it.

I submitted this information to the RR Database so it is of record.

Edit: TG-7103 was also heard at 3:24pm doing a test count.

[scannerowner]

Originally Posted by stlouisx50

Yesterday on 152.660 (Weldon Springs Site) I heard TG-20263. Both parties called each other rangers. I would assume the rangers are MO DNR.

Today I heard TG-20902 also on the 152.660 (Weldon Springs Site) which both parties called each other rangers. They specifically were talking about working in parks around Lincoln County and may have mentioned another county or specific park name but I missed it.

I submitted this information to the RR Database so it is of record.

Edit: TG-7103 was also heard at 3:24pm doing a test count.

I just looked in the database and 71XX refers to St. Louis County, 7103 would be dispatch?! Would this be part of their 800 system that will be used to tie-in to MOSWIN?! Maybe!

[kruser]

Originally Posted by stlouisx50

Yesterday on 152.660 (Weldon Springs Site) I heard TG-20263. Both parties called each other rangers. I would assume the rangers are MO DNR.

Today I heard TG-20902 also on the 152.660 (Weldon Springs Site) which both parties called each other rangers. They specifically were talking about working in parks around Lincoln County and may have mentioned another county or specific park name but I missed it.

I submitted this information to the RR Database so it is of record.

Edit: TG-7103 was also heard at 3:24pm doing a test count.

I also heard those comms on TG-20902. Heard them the evebning before also but did not make note if any location info was given.
I also heard the testing on 7103. Quite a few hits on 7103 in Pro96com also so that is an active one to watch here.

Others I heard yesterday and Friday evening were TG-26102 and 5502.
26102 was on the Imperial tower and 5502 was on the Weldon Spring tower. I seem to recall that it was two guys testing their radios on on 5502. One guy was talking and making sure the other guy could hear him on all the radios at his location. He specifically asked if he could here him on the Motorola portable to the left of some unidentified radio. The other party informed the guy that he was using that Motorola portable to talk with him right now!

I need to get my HP1 going again and let it record the traffic so maybe I can figure out the TG names or users for the database.As you said, 20902 is rangers for sure.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

I just looked in the database and 71XX refers to St. Louis County, 7103 would be dispatch?! Would this be part of their 800 system that will be used to tie-in to MOSWIN?! Maybe!

That's hard to say, none of the new STL County system is even built yet. But.. they could be using new radios and testing on the VHF sites.
Plus we do have the 800 system down in STL City that is slated to carry MOSWIN traffic. Not sure if they will also use the same 71xx TG ID's when on that system or not. I try and keep an eye on the city 800 system by locking out ALL the cities talkgroups and then let my 996xt search for new talkgroups but so far the only new ones I found are related to the public transportation service, Metro, in the city.

Like you said somewhere else or in a PM, it is going to be a fun system to monitor!

[scannerowner]

Originally Posted by kruser

I also heard those comms on TG-20902. Heard them the evebning before also but did not make note if any location info was given.
I also heard the testing on 7103. Quite a few hits on 7103 in Pro96com also so that is an active one to watch here.

Others I heard yesterday and Friday evening were TG-26102 and 5502.
26102 was on the Imperial tower and 5502 was on the Weldon Spring tower. I seem to recall that it was two guys testing their radios on on 5502. One guy was talking and making sure the other guy could hear him on all the radios at his location. He specifically asked if he could here him on the Motorola portable to the left of some unidentified radio. The other party informed the guy that he was using that Motorola portable to talk with him right now!

I need to get my HP1 going again and let it record the traffic so maybe I can figure out the TG names or users for the database.As you said, 20902 is rangers for sure.

Looking at 5502 it could be Maries County Travel. From what I gather the "Travel" talkgroups are if they are out of their county and traveling somewhere outside of that county. County All would be if they are in their home county. It should be great, wish they'd hurry up and get everyone else up to speed! I think troopers will love it!

[stlouisx50]

Well I have some additional news as well as some bad news.

TG-20902 had Ranger 47 testing the radio yesterday. Today Rangers 8 & 21 were communicating. One of the rangers had difficulty with his mobile by the (boat ramp).

The bad news is... 7103 had encryption used on it last night for a good amount of time, while earlier in the night someone keyed up non-encrypted. Just thought I'd let everyone know.



A few days ago I had heard TG-10311, TG-5, TG-7, and TG-9. But have not heard those TG's for a few days.

[Imperial]

Some useful links:

Missouri Interoperable Communications Home page
MOSWIN Agency Map
MOSWIN Levels, Tiers, and Definitions
Interop Talkgroup Procedures
MOSWIN Member Agency Handbook

[kruser]

Originally Posted by stlouisx50

Well I have some additional news as well as some bad news.

TG-20902 had Ranger 47 testing the radio yesterday. Today Rangers 8 & 21 were communicating. One of the rangers had difficulty with his mobile by the (boat ramp).

The bad news is... 7103 had encryption used on it last night for a good amount of time, while earlier in the night someone keyed up non-encrypted. Just thought I'd let everyone know.



A few days ago I had heard TG-10311, TG-5, TG-7, and TG-9. But have not heard those TG's for a few days.

Thanks for confirming what I thought I heard also last night on 7103.
I wrote it off as just a poor decode but I guess I really did hear encryption.
Another user here also heard what sounded like a tech maybe setting up some new radios. They all came across encrypted. Not sure what TG's they showed up as though. Not good news for sure but I guess it is to be expected for some users.

edit: I had 24 hits on TG 7103 yesterday. Not sure how much of it was encrypted though as I was only logging and not really paying attention to the radio audio. No hits at all today on 7103.
I also heard the rangers at the boat ramp today. They were talking about the New Hope tower site and also mentioned the best signal appeared to be from the Hannibal site. One was Ranger 8 but not sure if the other was 21 or not. I actually heard 8 talking with or calling a few other numbers today. And they were talking on the Hannibal tower but I was getting them on the Weldon Spring tower. So someone in the group must have been affiliated with the Weldon Spring tower otherwise I doubt I'd have heard them. I can copy the New Hope site from here on most days as well as the Warrenton tower. With today's cruddy weather, New Hope and Warrenton are both hit and miss for me as far as getting a signal at all.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by scannerowner

Looking at 5502 it could be Maries County Travel. From what I gather the "Travel" talkgroups are if they are out of their county and traveling somewhere outside of that county. County All would be if they are in their home county. It should be great, wish they'd hurry up and get everyone else up to speed! I think troopers will love it!

I think your assumptions are correct and it is indeed a TG used for when a user is outside their normal area.
I always forget to check that listing of assumed talkgroups listed on the MOSWIN database page. When my 996XT stops on a TG that is not officially entered in as an active TG, it of course does not display a TG name.
Eventually those in that list will get entered in as working TG's as long as we the people submit them as heard and accurate!

[kpoe_28]

This may have already been brought up somewhere here in this thread but I couldn't find it if it has.

Went on a little road trip around to my surround counties to do a little snooping. I live in Kennett and noticed a new antenna on top of the building at the P.D., asked a friend who works for the P.D.(No Names) he told me that it was the new antenna that was hooked up to the new MOSWIN radio there in the dispatch room. So I took a drive starting with Dunklin county sheriff......found the same antenna, never been there before untill now. From there I went to Pemiscot, Butler, Stoddard, New Madrid and went by the P.D.'s and sheriff's departments and found the same antenna....none are mounted very high off the ground at all in fact Dunklin county has theirs no more than 20 foot off the ground. So I thought I would share a picture of this antenna on here you guys. Also have found the antenna online and it run's about $350.

[KC0CSE]

Originally Posted by kpoe_28

This may have already been brought up somewhere here in this thread but I couldn't find it if it has.

Went on a little road trip around to my surround counties to do a little snooping. I live in Kennett and noticed a new antenna on top of the building at the P.D., asked a friend who works for the P.D.(No Names) he told me that it was the new antenna that was hooked up to the new MOSWIN radio there in the dispatch room. So I took a drive starting with Dunklin county sheriff......found the same antenna, never been there before untill now. From there I went to Pemiscot, Butler, Stoddard, New Madrid and went by the P.D.'s and sheriff's departments and found the same antenna....none are mounted very high off the ground at all in fact Dunklin county has theirs no more than 20 foot off the ground. So I thought I would share a picture of this antenna on here you guys. Also have found the antenna online and it run's about $350.

Great find!!! very interesting....give me the name so I can look it up ....or how you found it.....thanks again for the find.....

[kruser]

Originally Posted by KC0CSE

Great find!!! very interesting....give me the name so I can look it up ....or how you found it.....thanks again for the find.....

Yep, that is a great find. I wonder if those are used to link the sites together from certain control points? Kinda like a backup data link for the site controllers.
It sure does not look like a discone that would work on VHF but maybe for something UHF and higher perhaps?
I need to take a drive myself and see if I can spot one of those discones.
It reminds me of one I saw on a 380 MHz military trunked system I think. Now I can't remember where I'd seen it.

[kpoe_28]

Originally Posted by KC0CSE

Great find!!! very interesting....give me the name so I can look it up ....or how you found it.....thanks again for the find.....

This is as close as I can find by comparing pictures I took with my phone and what I can find on the net AOR DA5000 Discone But it looks exactly like the one's they are using, And I was able to get very close to Dunklin counties sense it being so low the the ground

[jayres]

Originally Posted by kruser

Yep, that is a great find. I wonder if those are used to link the sites together from certain control points? Kinda like a backup data link for the site controllers.
It sure does not look like a discone that would work on VHF but maybe for something UHF and higher perhaps?
I need to take a drive myself and see if I can spot one of those discones.
It reminds me of one I saw on a 380 MHz military trunked system I think. Now I can't remember where I'd seen it.

They are VHF/7-800 Discone antennas; and if I'm not mistaken, made by Stico. They are simply antennas for the Motorola APX control stations that are being installed at every 24/7 dispatch center in the state, as part of the PSIC grant funding that was allocated a few years back. Not being used for backup/data links. Just simple control stations...

[wbigcount]

I have a few to add for Troop H,

26001 Clinton Co All
26002 Clinton Co Travel

I don't think I have posted them yet.

[kruser]

Originally Posted by jayres

They are VHF/7-800 Discone antennas; and if I'm not mistaken, made by Stico. They are simply antennas for the Motorola APX control stations that are being installed at every 24/7 dispatch center in the state, as part of the PSIC grant funding that was allocated a few years back. Not being used for backup/data links. Just simple control stations...

That's interesting. I've never seen such a small discone that also worked on VHF. At least not worth a darn.
I'll see if I can find the actual model the state is using. I'd love to see the specs on the actual model.
Thanks for the info.

[wbigcount]

Originally Posted by kruser

That's interesting. I've never seen such a small discone that also worked on VHF. At least not worth a darn.
I'll see if I can find the actual model the state is using. I'd love to see the specs on the actual model.
Thanks for the info.

This should be the antenna, 700 to 3000 MHz

AOR DA5000 UHF Scanner Antenna

[jayres]

Originally Posted by kruser

That's interesting. I've never seen such a small discone that also worked on VHF. At least not worth a darn.
I'll see if I can find the actual model the state is using. I'd love to see the specs on the actual model.
Thanks for the info.

I'm pretty sure this is the antenna...

Interoperable Tactical Antennas | Sti-Co