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I am trying to program CM300, I have CPS 05.12 and ribless cable 4081C (ethernet to 25 pin)
It consistently says it can not read the radio. Com Port is correct, I also tried the cable to through a RIB box. I have tried multiple radios with the same result. I used my WinXP VM then loaded into a OLD Win98 PC. any ideas?
 

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the CM does not use the same pinout as the CDM/GM/M series, goto batlabs.com and look at the radio specific section for the pin out. if you can't recrimp the connector, use a RJ45 jack, and cut an ethernet patch cable. then plug your programming cable to teh jack, and wire the patch cable for the new pinout, this is actually what M does for their programming/flash adapter for the CM.
 

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I am sorry, I don't understand why the reference to the cdm/gm series? Do I have cable or cps geared towards that radio?
 

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I am sorry, I don't understand why the reference to the cdm/gm series? Do I have cable or cps geared towards that radio?

What he is saying is that the CM/PM series radio requires a programming/flash adapter (FKN8096A) or equivalent to program them. You can use the same cable that programs the GM/CDM/M1225 but you must use the adapter, or modify your current cable by jumping a couple of the pins.
 

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I as well will be programming one of these. Im looking on ebay under CM300 and the same cable shows up for a M1225. So, the question remains. Will the cable for an M1225 work on CM300?? And vice versa. I already have a cable for the M1225, will I need one specifically for the CM300 or could I just use the ethernet jack and patch cable with a different pinout?
 

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I as well will be programming one of these. Im looking on ebay under CM300 and the same cable shows up for a M1225. So, the question remains. Will the cable for an M1225 work on CM300?? And vice versa. I already have a cable for the M1225, will I need one specifically for the CM300 or could I just use the ethernet jack and patch cable with a different pinout?

Read this thread carefully and completely:

http://forums.radioreference.com/motorola-forum/172757-motorola-pm400-programming-problem.html

The CM300 and the PM400 are the same for programming purposes. Buy or build the adapter as discussed in the thread.
 

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In a nutshell

I as well will be programming one of these. Im looking on ebay under CM300 and the same cable shows up for a M1225. So, the question remains. Will the cable for an M1225 work on CM300?? And vice versa. I already have a cable for the M1225, will I need one specifically for the CM300 or could I just use the ethernet jack and patch cable with a different pinout?

Motorola does not make a one piece cable that will program a CM radio.
You have to either buy a second cable from Moto called a flash adapter, or make your own. Either one goes in series with the programming cable.

A few of us have scratched our heads about this at first.
The cable that Moto says will program this radio is NOT the only cable you need.
I'm not at work, or I could give you the pertinant part numbers.

If you look closely, you'll notice the CM300's mike jack is 8 pin.
The mike jack for a M1225, GM300, CDM750, 1250, etc, and the cable you have, are all ten pin.
Hence, some adaption is in order.
 
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If you look closely, you'll notice the CM300's mike jack is 8 pin.
The mike jack for a M1225, GM300, CDM750, 1250, etc, and the cable you have, are all ten pin.
Hence, some adaption is in order.

Actually not the case. The CDM's and many of the older Radius's and M1225's are all wired the same at the mic connector for pins 1 thru 8. The Radius's and M1225 are 8 pin RJ45 mic connectors. The CDM's are RJ50's and pins 9 & 10 are different, but Motorola furnishes the same 8 pin desk mic for all of them now. I talked to their Engineering about that to confirm it.

The PM400's and the CM200/300 series are different on pins 1 & 3 for programming and other things. Hence the need for the adapter to jumper 1 & 3 to put the radio into programming mode.
 

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RKN4081C is the Motorola part number for the ribless serial cable that will program the CDM series, most Radius series, and the M1225. It is an 8 pin RJ45 which fits in the mic connector of all of these radios.

The FKN8096B Flash Adapter is needed to adapt the RKN4081C to program the CM200/300 and PM400 radios which are the Commercial Series of radios. It does this by simply jumpering pins 1 & 3 together to force the radio into programming mode.

The flash adapter will also work with aftermarket USB cables on the Commercial Series.

As I said in the other thread, I made up my own Commercial Series adapter from a CAT-5 cable and an RJ45 surface mount wall jack. It works just fine.
 

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So, in other words. Il need another cable specifically for the CM. or can I use my current cable from M1225 and add a jumper wire on pins 1 and 3? I know this might be a repetitive question but still not sure...
 

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So, in other words. Il need another cable specifically for the CM. or can I use my current cable from M1225 and add a jumper wire on pins 1 and 3? I know this might be a repetitive question but still not sure...

I just answered your question in another post.

While I am not a moderator, redundant questions get tedious real fast.
(That is a hint on forum protocol and etiquette if you have not figured that out.)
 
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Same cable

Have been dealing with Motorola radios for 42 years. I use a 8 pin rj45/usb cable to program m1225, cm200 and 300, and the cdm's. Same cable works on all of them. Why the mics are also interchangeable. It's the same as the 20 pin acc connector versus the 16 pin. Config is the same, the outer 2 pins on either side are not used. You can find your cable on Ebay for under $35...
 

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Have been dealing with Motorola radios for 42 years. I use a 8 pin rj45/usb cable to program m1225, cm200 and 300, and the cdm's. Same cable works on all of them. Why the mics are also interchangeable. It's the same as the 20 pin acc connector versus the 16 pin. Config is the same, the outer 2 pins on either side are not used. You can find your cable on Ebay for under $35...
How are you forcing the Commercial Series mobiles (CM200, CM300, & PM400) into programming mode? The service manual very plainly states that 9.3vdc from pin 1 has to be applied to Pin 3 to do this. (Page 6-6 of the Basic Service Manual which is detailed descriptions of each pin in the microphone connector.)
 
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Don't believe everything you read. Have been using the same cables for years. I just programmed one of each just the other day. Same cable. Pins 2,4,5 and 6 on the rj45, using usb on the other end. Both versions of software are the most current.
 
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Cable is a Maxton Model RPC-MM-U Says for gm338, gm3188 etc. These sound like Canadian versions. Makes sense, I get these and others from a guy on Ebay. he lives in Ontario just over the boarder in the Falls. I have another that programs both as well, I need to check it, I know it's made by someone else.
 

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Don't believe everything you read. Have been using the same cables for years. I just programmed one of each just the other day. Same cable. Pins 2,4,5 and 6 on the rj45, using usb on the other end. Both versions of software are the most current.
It's not a matter of what I read, it's why a dozen CM-300's would not program until I jumpered Pins's 1 & 3. Then they programmed just fine.

If you are claiming that the Motorola manual is wrong in this regard, please provide a verifiable and authoritative source for your information. People make a lot of claims on the internet that sound legit until investigated.

And I'm not the only one who understands this. If you do a little searching, you will find threads on this problem going all the way back to when the Commercial Series first hit the market. Some are here on RR and some are on the batboard. The answer is always the same; jumper Pins 1 & 3 or use the FKN8096B Flash Adapter which does the same thing.
 
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Originally Posted by lifeisgoodoneasystreet
Hi Steve, I was not sure on the forum policy as far as making mention of retail sales. The guy I get these from has an Ebay store called affordableradio. He shows NY as an address but he is just over the Canadian border in Niagra Falls. His name is Vinnie, I have purchased a lot of program cables over the years from him. He has a good product, well made, great price, and real fast shipping. The cable I am talking will do both, believe me. Go to his site on Ebay, the item # is> 181969261311. It sells for $14.95. Looking at mine, it has NO wires on either pins 1 or 3. Pin 2 green, 4 red, 5 black, and 6 white. 7 and 8 also blank.
 

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Cable is a Maxton Model RPC-MM-U Says for gm338, gm3188 etc. These sound like Canadian versions. Makes sense, I get these and others from a guy on Ebay. he lives in Ontario just over the boarder in the Falls. I have another that programs both as well, I need to check it, I know it's made by someone else.
Those radios are Asian and European versions. The cable you mention is designed and marketed for those radios. There is no "Canadian" version as Motorola markets the same radios in Canada as they do in the US. If you look in the Help dropdown of the CPS, you'll find that it's the NA or North American version, not the US version.

While I am not doubting that your particular cables work on CM200's and CM300's, I still want to know how they do it. The problem here is that most any other cable, especially the USB ribless cables, will not do the Commercial Series mobiles without the 1 to 3 jumper. That means that pretty much everyone who buys a cable will encounter the same problem and require the same solution.

I have several different cables here, both Serial and USB, and none will do the CM's without the jumper.

I've been over this issue dozens of times with guys who are much more technically able than I, and they all give the same answer; jumper 1 to 3.
 
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Steve, never mind trying to re-engineer the job..lol really I am as curious as you. I have a flash adapter in my bag, never used it. Some people do sell cables that will not do both, I was there once. You buy the cable, if it doesn't work as advertised I will give you your $$ back, and so will Vinnie. Double your $$. Can't go wrong.
 
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