Motorola xts 3000

[XTS3000]

Originally Posted by com501

My apologies if that is the case. You don't live in Reno, then, I take it? You are correct. I just looked at my PMs. I have you cornfused with another person with an almost exact user name that is also banned at P25. Funny huh? Wonder why?

XTS3000 is a very common name in these various Motorola forums. No harm done com501. I just wanted to set the record straight. Sounds like you made an honest mistake, and your apology accepted.

Only thing I have in common with Reno is I like the TV show "Reno 911". LOL

[com501]

And that show has nothing in common with Reno, I can assure you.

[XTS3000]

Originally Posted by jhooten

Minor nitpick, RSS or CPS is not bought. You pay for a License to use the software. Motorola still owns it, they sell you permission to use it

If you actually read Motorola's TOS/ELU for their software, its kinda scary. They darn near want your first born.

Most people skip reading the TOS/ELU, but I recommend everyone take the time to read it.

[XTS3000]

Originally Posted by com501

And that show has nothing in common with Reno, I can assure you.

I wonder what the real Reno PD thinks or has to say about Reno 911 show?

[com501]

They think it's funny, but they think it also is a little gay bashing to go along with it.

[MikeOxlong]

XTS3000r was the member who ripped off somebody.

[MikeOxlong]

Originally Posted by cabletech

xts3000 not true. All Moto software is a three year subscription and during that three years if their are any upgrades to the software, then you recieve a free upgrade mailed to you.

At the end of the three years then unless you renew, you do not recieve the upgrades.

I purchased Astro25 software years ago and Motorola has never emailed me any upgrades.

However, they're available online and after three years, I still have access to them.

[XTS3000]

Originally Posted by MikeOxlong

XTS3000r was the member who ripped off somebody.

Same guy?
xts3000r RadioReference.com Member Profile

On RR there are at least 4 simular XTS3000 screen names but slightly different

XTS3000 (me)
xts3000r
xts3000m2
XTS3000_AES

[MikeOxlong]

Yes, XTS3000r both here and on p25.ca.

[com501]

Correct, my bad. I've been doing my taxes for two days. My brain is gut shot.

I never receive any CD updates either anymore, but they are always there on MOL.

[XTS3000]

Originally Posted by MikeOxlong

Yes, XTS3000r both here and on p25.ca.

Mike, thanks for the clarification and heads up. Stinks my screen name here is so close to the guy who scammed others on P25.

[com501]

Originally Posted by XTS3000

If you actually read Motorola's TOS/ELU for their software, its kinda scary. They darn near want your first born.

Most people skip reading the TOS/ELU, but I recommend everyone take the time to read it.

If you've ever been SUED by Motorola, it's almost as bad as being investigated by the ATF or the Satellite piracy people.....

[WuLabsWuTecH]

Originally Posted by SKEYGEN

"Wah, I got banned from another forum!"

...how does this help the OP get his XTS3000 programmed, again?

Oh, wait, it doesn't.

tmorris, what WuLabsWuTecH said is correct. Just tell them you're a self supporting end user or the like when they send you the questionnaire to open your MOL account.

And back on topic now! What's a self supporting end user? And no i never read the EULA for the software, I just know that our department has it and it's what we use to program our radios. But if the members start going around messing with it, we'd have a very unhappy Chief and probably a slightly shorter member roster. I understand that the software is not "firefighter proof..."

Why would anyone want their own personal copy of the software? If you are allowed to buy it for the department (which based on this discussion seems to be the case, but like I said, haven't read the EULA), wouldn't it be a lot cheaper just to buy a departmental copy rather than buying every single person who needs a radio programmed their own copy? I would imagine that would get very expensive very quickly and would be cost prohibitive for any department that does not have the central bank in their run district!

[FFPM571]

Here is the problem.. If a department has one guy who has half a clue doing the programming then that most times is not an issue. I do it for mine. I also have been involved in radios for over 25 years. Where the problem begins when Joe firefighter buys a radio on ebay or wherever and then gets the software and F's around with it and adds freqs and other things they shouldnt its a violation of FCC rules and the FD can be held liable by the FCC for too many units on their liscense or interference of other stations. People who have no clue have no business programming radios on the public safety band.

[scannerman71]

Originally Posted by FFPM571

Here is the problem.. If a department has one guy who has half a clue doing the programming then that most times is not an issue. I do it for mine. I also have been involved in radios for over 25 years. Where the problem begins when Joe firefighter buys a radio on ebay or wherever and then gets the software and F's around with it and adds freqs and other things they shouldnt its a violation of FCC rules and the FD can be held liable by the FCC for too many units on their liscense or interference of other stations. People who have no clue have no business programming radios on the public safety band.

That's why alot of people say to inhibit the TX capability and just set the individual radio up conventional style if your going to monitor Trunked systems.

[FFPM571]

Originally Posted by scannerman71

That's why alot of people say to inhibit the TX capability and just set the individual radio up conventional style if your going to monitor Trunked systems.

That has nothing to do with it.. People that have no clue what they are doing have no business programming radios on public safety freqs. I dont care if your a member of an FD,EMS, EMA , PD or what ever. Programming should be left up to qualified people who have had the proper education and training need to be the ones doing this not billy bob volunteer firefighter who downloaded the latest CPS from a russian website and thinks he knows what he is doing because he used to modify CB radios back in the 70's.

Also your idea about inhibit TX doesnt always work.

[WuLabsWuTecH]

Originally Posted by FFPM571

That has nothing to do with it.. People that have no clue what they are doing have no business programming radios on public safety freqs. I dont care if your a member of an FD,EMS, EMA , PD or what ever. Programming should be left up to qualified people who have had the proper education and training need to be the ones doing this not billy bob volunteer firefighter who downloaded the latest CPS from a russian website and thinks he knows what he is doing because he used to modify CB radios back in the 70's.

Also your idea about inhibit TX doesnt always work.

Yeah, we have enough problems with volunteer firefighters playing on the radio and singing when there's a run in progress. I would not like others who don't have access to the channels I need also messing around on it. When I'm on scene and I'm calling for backup because I need 2 engines to help me get a patient who's about to go down on me out of the house, and some of the volunteers are on my channel d***ing around, I get pretty pissed. Our chief actually let an expletive fly on the air about this once. He could hear me marking in station, but dispatch couldn't and I believe his words were, "F****** dumba****! Get the f*** off my medic's radio channel!" I can't imagine he'd be to thrilled if someone not affiliated got access to our system.

That being said, learning about these things is all about tinkering, and even with an Engineering Degree, it's taken a lot for me to learn what I have over the past couple of weeks about radios here. I highly encourage anyone who is interested to tinker and learn, but please only do so with expert supervision. I would not start messing with my portable without first seeking some advice here, and then getting the permission of my chief, and then sitting down with an LT who can tell me if I'm doing it right or not.

Now, going to an eco-political stance for just a moment, I do feel that Motorola has screwed themselves a bit on the pricing issue. For a department like ours, buying the software to program our radios was not that big of an expense as it was a one time expense, they shipped us the software, and we use it on probably close to 50 radios if not more. But to price it so high means that smaller departments and people who buy their own equipment (still don't understand this) can't afford it and have to look for another option. It's the free market rule of people will find alternatives and will be willing to jump through more hoops to find alternative the higher it's priced. I think they finally got it right with the pagers--unlike the previous generation of pagers, the new pagers have free software with them. The programming is essential to the radio, so just include it in the price. But once people find ways around the proprietary software, it's possible that they can do something that hurts those of us who are paying customers that Motorola should feel some responsibility towards.

[WuLabsWuTecH]

another question: Why would you want to inhibit the transmission on it? Doesn't that defeat the purpose (or at least half the purpose) of the radio?

[scannerman71]

Originally Posted by WuLabsWuTecH

another question: Why would you want to inhibit the transmission on it? Doesn't that defeat the purpose (or at least half the purpose) of the radio?

OK, I have seen Astros and like radios setup for no affiliation and scanning a p25 system under conventional mode, HOWEVER, I have to ask you this; why wouldn't you inhibit if you are listening but not a PS official?????

Some members here are jumping to the wrong conclusions and saying certain things can't be done but yet they can and there are scores of YT videos that prove them wrong.

I have seen a brit program his tetra radio(legal) to recieve LAPD via a team viewer type program.

To the people who say you can't setup astro and astro 25 radios to not affiliate, YOU ARE WRONG! The radios CAN be setup and there are videos on how to do it on YouTube.

The inhibit prevents people from transmitting and prevents them from getting into trouble.

Now, as far as the post goes where it states to tell them your self supporting, That's a myth. Motorola wants verification and that's that. you can't buy the software without verification, plain and simple.

[scannerman71]

Originally Posted by FFPM571

That has nothing to do with it.. People that have no clue what they are doing have no business programming radios on public safety freqs. I dont care if your a member of an FD,EMS, EMA , PD or what ever. Programming should be left up to qualified people who have had the proper education and training need to be the ones doing this not billy bob volunteer firefighter who downloaded the latest CPS from a russian website and thinks he knows what he is doing because he used to modify CB radios back in the 70's.

Also your idea about inhibit TX doesnt always work.

Excuse me, but I fail to see your logic here. ANYBODY can program freqs if they read instructions CAREFULLY. I also want to mention that if what you said was a big issue, they wouldn't have the xts series for sale on Ebay like they do.

and YES, if you do exactly as instructed, the inhibit feature DOES work and works well.

the training you mention would get the non billy bob in HUGE trouble. No radio shop is going to program a radio for john q public anyways, not even the official dealers who sell the radios.

I have heard that even licensed Ham operators have gotten into trouble for simply having a radio like the astros.

My opinion: stay away from the xts p25 radios PERIOD until they are put out of service with new systems.

doesn't get any simpler than that. you want to listen to p25 systems, get a p25 capable scanner.