Motorola xts 3000

[CommJunkie]

Originally Posted by Skypilot007

They kicked me off of there for just mentioning the fact that they had in the past offered free CPS for download when it was still avialable for purchase thru motorola. Whatever...I don't care. I still go back as a non contributor and pilage information as needed. I think sometimes their tukes are too tight!

At least amongst the mayhem that occurs on this site at times one can have a disagreement with a moderator and not get banned over it.

LOL I just went there and got this:

You have been banned for the following reason:
RR Flunkie!

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Childish much, P25? lol

[FFPM571]

So tell me.. Just because you read the directions does that mean you comprehend the ins and outs of programming a radio for to use on a public safety freq? If a person here is using a scanner website to program a two way radio and asking the most basic questions would you want that person to be using a radio in an emergency situation. I wouldnt. XTS's are now becoming easier and plentiful because of the APX's these are good solid radios that have plenty of life left in them. Who says you cant sell them on ebay? There are plenty of other places to get an XTS..

If done correctly the Passive monitoring of a P25 trunked system works. IF DONE BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING Not some Jamoke with no previous experence who bought a $900 XTS5000 and stole the software and now thinks they can listen to the local police. How many threads do you want me to post of people looking for help that had their radios inhibited by the system admins .

Radio shops will and have programmed for the public. With proper authorzation and/or without transmit

Really a Ham got in trouble for having an XTS.. What law did they break? Is there a law against having a Motorola radio with a Ham ticket? If thats the case I better lock my self up. Can you show me case law?

Why stay away from and XTS P25 radio? because it scares you?

This is why you should stay with a scanner..

[enigma_machine]

Originally Posted by CommJunkie

LOL I just went there and got this:

You have been banned for the following reason:
RR Flunkie!

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Childish much, P25? lol

I was banned as well, Ive never seen a bigger group of childish unprofessional people than on p25.ca

[XTS3000]

Originally Posted by CommJunkie

LOL I just went there and got this:

You have been banned for the following reason:
RR Flunkie!

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Childish much, P25? lol

At this rate P25 is going the only people left there will be the administrator and his small team of "yes master" moderators. It's beyond childish. A friend I recommended to sign up was banned for simply posting a question in what they said was the wrong part of the forum. His question was such that it could fit into a few areas of the forum. Banned.

What's funny is Mars the administrator doesn't want people to know he's the owner and administrator of P25 and all his moderators aren't labled as moderators. So you really never know who is running the site. Something to hide P25?

[CommJunkie]

Seems like they are a little jealous of this website. All I ever needed P25 for was out of band mods. That's over, now I have no use for them.

/rant

Sorry to hijack the thread.

[enigma_machine]

Originally Posted by XTS3000

At this rate P25 is going the only people left there will be the administrator and his small team of "yes master" moderators. It's beyond childish. A friend I recommended to sign up was banned for simply posting a question in what they said was the wrong part of the forum. His question was such that it could fit into a few areas of the forum. Banned.

What's funny is Mars the administrator doesn't want people to know he's the owner and administrator of P25 and all his moderators aren't labled as moderators. So you really never know who is running the site. Something to hide P25?

Sounds highly sneaky and as if they are definitely trying to hide something. Has anyone ever heard of this Mars fellow outside of p25.ca? I definitely agree that its going to end up exactly as you say in the end. The staff there seems to be on a full on tyrant driven rage-fest.

[XTS3000]

Originally Posted by CommJunkie

Seems like they are a little jealous of this website. All I ever needed P25 for was out of band mods. That's over, now I have no use for them.

/rant

Sorry to hijack the thread.

Yep, they are jealous of RR for sure. Mars just posted some crap about his P25 site about what is acceptable there. He's sounding more and more like the uni-bomber and his crazy rantings - says one thing, but does the complete opposite. Notice that mostly only moderators reply to post question? Everyone else has been banned.

[Skypilot007]

Originally Posted by CommJunkie

LOL I just went there and got this:

You have been banned for the following reason:
RR Flunkie!

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Childish much, P25? lol

Mine had no reason and said "Never" like yours did but I guess it was the last volly I had with Admin "Number 6" that got me banned. Heads are getting a bit large over there.

[Skypilot007]

I have heard that even licensed Ham operators have gotten into trouble for simply having a radio like the astros.

Where are you hearing this nonsense?

[loumaag]

Folks, the OP asked a question and I think it was probably answered correctly, much much further up the topic. Can we take the discussion of other web sites and being banned to some place else, like maybe the Tavern. This is really in the Commercial and Professional Radio section and such discussions really have no place here, thanks for understanding.

[com501]

Originally Posted by Skypilot007

Where are you hearing this nonsense?

Yeah, where?

I don't even OWN a ham radio. All my ham radios are either Astro 25 or MotoTrbo....

[loumaag]

Originally Posted by com501

Yeah, where?

I don't even OWN a ham radio. All my ham radios are either Astro 25 or MotoTrbo....

I am going to just assume you were putting this together while I had posted the warning to stay on topic, so I will ignore this.

[MTS2000des]

I would advise anyone who has little or no experience programming Motorola subscriber radios to attend the training they offer on their LMS on the various CPS products. No, the courses are not free- but then if you can afford the radios, you can afford the legit CPS and the training.

I agree with FFPM571, radios used in life safety services should only be serviced by qualified people. It's all about LIABILITY.

It's all good when some "internet expert" can take his Ebay radio and bootleg CPS and program away, but what happens when something goes bad on the fireground? How would a jury rule when a 2 bit lawyer tells them "The defendant used illegally obtained software downloaded from the Internet and has no qualifications or training to maintain life safety communication devices". Not a position I would want to be in.

do it RIGHT or let someone else accept the liability. Anyone who works in public safety knows what I am talking about.

[WuLabsWuTecH]

Wow, this thread is like a child with ADD!

Anyways, someone quoted my question, but never actually answered it before we got off on a tangent.

What's the purpose of preventing the radio from transmitting? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the radio? And more importantly, how can I tell if my radio has been prevented from transmitting? Like let's say the radios came back from being reprogrammed to the new template and the guy that did it accidentally prevented me from transmitting. Will there be something on the screen that says the transmit is broken? Or will I just have to find out the first time I try to mark up on it and no one hears a thing I say?

[com501]

If you refer to your user manual, depending on the type of system you are on, you will either get a PTT inhibit tone or a system busy or a bonk or some other tone indicating you didn't get a go ahead from the system. If its conventional or your radio is programmed on the WRONG frequency you may get nothing at all to indicate its programmed incorrectly.

This is why you either take the radio to the radio system manager for programming or to the radio shop that manages your radio system and no one else.

[MTS2000des]

Originally Posted by WuLabsWuTecH

Wow, this thread is like a child with ADD!

Anyways, someone quoted my question, but never actually answered it before we got off on a tangent.

What's the purpose of preventing the radio from transmitting? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the radio? And more importantly, how can I tell if my radio has been prevented from transmitting? Like let's say the radios came back from being reprogrammed to the new template and the guy that did it accidentally prevented me from transmitting. Will there be something on the screen that says the transmit is broken? Or will I just have to find out the first time I try to mark up on it and no one hears a thing I say?

The real purpose of transmit inhibit is to prevent a radio from keying up or sending affiliation data (trunking) in a hazardous atmosphere, i.e. where explosive detonators are present. The ability to inhibit transmit while allowing the radio to receive has some valid applications in public safety, such as a bomb squad searching a hot zone. Stray RF may cause a hazard and detonate a device, but the user can still receive transmissions.

In trunking applications, an individual ID can be set to receive only by the system administrator- the radio will still affiliate with the network and can be tracked as to what talkgroups it shows up on- this is usually the case with media radios that are rented out or authorized on public safety systems for use by local media. The radios are usually programmed without talkgroup transmit as the media doesn't need to transmit and potentially interfere (inadvertently) with the agency operations. The radio can still be disabled by the system manager if it is lost, stolen, compromised (cloned) or otherwise misused.