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They're essentially identical in their basic feature set (display, no keypad).

However, the XTS1500-1.5 is only capable of 3600 baud trunking or 9600 baud trunking, but not both at the same time, and only does 48 channels in three zones. The XTS2500-1.5 can do both 3600 and 9600 at the same time, and up to 96 channels in six zones..
Never mind. I use 80 channels in my main zone, so it looks like I'm getting a 2500

One last question. Does a model 3 work for NAF or does it not work if it has FPP?
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Never mind. I use 80 channels in my main zone, so it looks like I'm getting a 2500

One last question. Does a model 3 work for NAF or does it not work if it has FPP?
If you are considering an XTS for use with Trunking NAF go ahead and rule out FPP. The 2 ain't gonna happen in the same radio. FPP in any XTS is painful.
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If you are considering an XTS for use with Trunking NAF go ahead and rule out FPP. The 2 ain't gonna happen in the same radio. FPP in any XTS is painful.
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Thanks. I don't want FPP, I just wanted to make sure the Model 3 works. Do you know why you can't use FPP? Also how does this radio look? It's a bit expensive for me but I think it's worth it. Does it raise any red flags? Just search (Motorola XTS2500 Model III 700/800Mhz P25 9600 Digital Astro Complete) on Ebay. It's $275
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Thanks. I don't want FPP, I just wanted to make sure the Model 3 works. Do you know why you can't use FPP? Also how does this radio look? It's a bit expensive for me but I think it's worth it. Does it raise any red flags? Just search (Motorola XTS2500 Model III 700/800Mhz P25 9600 Digital Astro Complete) on Ebay. It's $275
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Thanks. I don't want FPP, I just wanted to make sure the Model 3 works. Do you know why you can't use FPP? Also how does this radio look? It's a bit expensive for me but I think it's worth it. Does it raise any red flags? Just search (Motorola XTS2500 Model III 700/800Mhz P25 9600 Digital Astro Complete) on Ebay. It's $275
Because authorized FPP users (government) are usually VHF or UHF conventional and don't require Trunking. And those few gov that do will carry a multi-band APX radio (like my VHF/UHF/700/800 APX 8000XE).
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Thanks. I don't want FPP, I just wanted to make sure the Model 3 works. Do you know why you can't use FPP? Also how does this radio look? It's a bit expensive for me but I think it's worth it. Does it raise any red flags? Just search (Motorola XTS2500 Model III 700/800Mhz P25 9600 Digital Astro Complete) on Ebay. It's $275
If you believe in "buy the seller" he looks good. 1372 feedbacks, 100% positive.
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So I did a little bit of research and I don't think it's worth it to sell my 5000 to get an aligned 2500. It's going to cost me more to get the 2500 then to just fix the 5000. Before I send it to a guy on ebay to get to get it fixed (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Ra.../321818232192?)

There isn't any other reason for this radio to not work. It works on my county, but has terrible range. Turns out the county over 40 miles away has a high power control channel.

Would anyone else align my radio?
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Sunny Communications will align it for less

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F122619074863
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Man, Thank you!!! I really didn't want to spend $80 on an alignment.
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I love this add. Itís really funny how every photo is crystal clear, but for some strange reason, the photo showing the tags is fuzzy. Canít even read the model number.
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I love this add. Itís really funny how every photo is crystal clear, but for some strange reason, the photo showing the tags is fuzzy. Canít even read the model number.
Seems pretty clear to me, Gary. Check your glasses my friend.

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Thanks.I do need to see the eye doctor.
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I'm going to send the radio off hopefully Monday to get it aligned. I'll report back when it gets done.
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My radio is on its way back. In the meantime here are the results https://pastebin.com/Bdd0Q65a

I'm guessing it was bad enough that it didn't work in a simulcast but it still works on C4FM.

The radio will be back on the 25th so I can see if that fixed it or not.
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From what I see, everything passed, so nothing was wrong. It's only when something shows FAIL, then that is realigned. I didn't see any fails. Usually with the P25 radios I've purchased, it's the DEV BAL that fails, but that only affects transmit. Hopefully, it will be OK, but I didn't see anything realigned.
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So did the aeroflex change anything?

I did see -116.0, is that anything?

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"Any XTS/XTL radio more than 100Hz off on the 800Mhz P25 system I help maintain/manage will usually throw an "out of range" on the display. We are blessed enough to have 2 Aeroflex 3920B's that greatly speed up the alignment process and we can usually fix out of alignment radios in 10mins or less "

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So did the aeroflex change anything?

I did see -116.0, is that anything?

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"Any XTS/XTL radio more than 100Hz off on the 800Mhz P25 system I help maintain/manage will usually throw an "out of range" on the display. We are blessed enough to have 2 Aeroflex 3920B's that greatly speed up the alignment process and we can usually fix out of alignment radios in 10mins or less "

P25 Tx Tests (01:16): PASS
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Reference Oscillator Alignment ( < 100 Hz)

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Freq: 869.8875 MHz *bspv: 189 espv: 147 Freq Error: * *-6 *Hz * *PASS

The above is what I was referring to in my initial post. You were only 6 Hz off which is pretty much spot on. See how it looks for less than 100Hz to pass inspection?
If there freq error was 100Hz or greater then it would have failed.
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Well I'll just have to try it when it gets back.

I don't think that's going to fix it. Does anyone have any other ideas?

If I can't get it working, I think I'm going to sell it.
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Those radio test results show a subscriber in good spec. If it passes, it's within published specs.
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