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Watching the Weirton site with Unitrunker and saw affiliations to TGs 73, 65, 82. Lots to 73. No voice traffic yet though.
Damned Weirton site is a Bastard site. It has no site neighbors and I've only heard activity on it twice. I don't even scan it normally because nothing ever happens on it. It irks me too, btecause it's the strongest signal on VHF and, as you can guess, totally obligates most everything below 155 mhz.

I wish somebody would go down to Morgantown to the actual sites we know exist [but aren't documented in that area] and let us know exactly what 3-4 sites are in that area. We know they are on the air; we know they are using 152 mhz freqs. And unless we happen to monitor them when a VC is active that we can use to look up the FCc data, we cant really identify them for certain unless somebody is sitting underneath it with the antenna off. There are quite a few like that left in WV. For the most part, we've done pretty damned good at identifying sites though.

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Thanks to some good propagation conditions, I was able to find a site that isn't currently listed in the DB. Judging by an FCC license search, it seems to be located in Pocahontas County, WV.

My findings:

Site 001-076
LCN 00-0316
Control 151.790

Peers:

Site Frequency
001-067 153.2900
001-135 153.3800
001-212 152.6300
001-213 153.7100
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Thanks to some good propagation conditions, I was able to find a site that isn't currently listed in the DB. Judging by an FCC license search, it seems to be located in Pocahontas County, WV.

My findings:

Site 001-076
LCN 00-0316
Control 151.790

Peers:

Site Frequency
001-067 153.2900
001-135 153.3800
001-212 152.6300
001-213 153.7100
Thank you. I've added this to the DB.

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This system ought to get tonight through tomorrow. I know in Loudoun Co at least trees are falling all over and lots of traffic lights going out.
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Anybody (with the ability to run Unitrunker or Pro96Com) in the Petersburg WV (Hardy Co) area or vicinity feel like checking for the existence of a new online site?

It's CC might be between 152-153 mhz in the paging spectrum, or it might be one of these:

153.1625
153.4625
153.665

Basically, if you hear a P25 control channel on one of those freqs, please run Unitrunker (a pristine copy) or Pro96Com on it and obtain/post all of the relevant information

System ID
Site ID
WACN
CC frequency
AC frequency (if advertised)
VC frequencies (if any are active)
Peers/Neighbors (including RFSS-Zone and frequencies)

Optionally (or in addition), if you are able to monitor the CC of Lost City, Augusta or Aurora, please provide a current listing of peers/neighbors shown in Pro96Com/Unitrunker.

Thanks

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Mike,
I can hear 153.1625, nothing on the other two freqs you mentioned. here is Procom96 data,
Bob

System ID : 89A
System Name :
WACN : 01DB6
Tower Number (Decimal): 180
Tower Number (Hex) : T0150
Tower Description : (null)
Control Capabilities : Voice,Registration,Authentication
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Sat Dec 6 20:23:32 2014

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#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,151.00000,0.00250,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,164.00000,0.00250,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

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#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0865","c",153.16250,"00-2597",157.49250,1,0

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#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
110,"T010A",89a,"02-0718",0.00000,""
111,"T010B",89a,"00-0498",152.24500,""
1193,"T01C1",89a,"00-0838",153.09500,""
1195,"T01C3",89a,"00-0494",152.23500,""
1214,"T01D6",89a,"00-0862",153.15500,""
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Mike,
I can hear 153.1625, nothing on the other two freqs you mentioned. here is Procom96 data,
Bob

System ID : 89A
System Name :
WACN : 01DB6
Tower Number (Decimal): 180
Tower Number (Hex) : T0150
Tower Description : (null)
Control Capabilities : Voice,Registration,Authentication
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Sat Dec 6 20:23:32 2014

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,151.00000,0.00250,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,164.00000,0.00250,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0865","c",153.16250,"00-2597",157.49250,1,0

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#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
110,"T010A",89a,"02-0718",0.00000,""
111,"T010B",89a,"00-0498",152.24500,""
1193,"T01C1",89a,"00-0838",153.09500,""
1195,"T01C3",89a,"00-0494",152.23500,""
1214,"T01D6",89a,"00-0862",153.15500,""
You are awesome, Bob. Danke. Consider that Petersburg. I'll get the DB updated shortly.

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Anybody (with the ability to run Unitrunker or Pro96Com) in the Petersburg WV (Hardy Co) area or vicinity feel like checking for the existence of a new online site?

It's CC might be between 152-153 mhz in the paging spectrum, or it might be one of these:

153.1625
153.4625
153.665

Basically, if you hear a P25 control channel on one of those freqs, please run Unitrunker (a pristine copy) or Pro96Com on it and obtain/post all of the relevant information

System ID
Site ID
WACN
CC frequency
AC frequency (if advertised)
VC frequencies (if any are active)
Peers/Neighbors (including RFSS-Zone and frequencies)

Optionally (or in addition), if you are able to monitor the CC of Lost City, Augusta or Aurora, please provide a current listing of peers/neighbors shown in Pro96Com/Unitrunker.

Thanks

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I can't receive the Petersburg tower but here is capture of the Lost City tower from Pro96com.
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I can't receive the Petersburg tower but here is capture of the Lost City tower from Pro96com.
Thank you. That's useful. I updated the neighbor/peer information on the Lost City site, and I updated the CC frequency on the McHenry site to be 152.2475 (instead of 152.245). I can't remember because it's been a while, but I'm probably the one that originally discovered McHenry online -- and I probably was off frequency when I was tuning it. It would have been during a period of tropo enhancement a few years ago.

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Default First Energy Allegheny Power Trunk system offline

No signals in central WV since at least 14AUG2015. Last monitored on 1st weekend of August 2015.

Does anyone have any info on the status of this system ???
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Site 110 is up in WMD, I heard a lot of talk last week that the system was not relaying data and the techs would have to take it down for for repair but that is my 2 cents.

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Default Allegheny Power System Up and operating in central WV

System had been down for over a month, but it appears to be working from the Clarksburg WV tower.
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Anybody reading this thread anymore?

102 - likely Philippi ( 152.24 )
13 - likely baxter or morgantown ( 152.0225 )
16 - likely baxter or morgantown (152.0375 )
212 - likely duck or cedarville ( 152.63 )

13 and 16 are definitely Baxter and Morgantown, but which is which I do not know.

Is there anyone reading this thread who is in CLOSE proximity to one of the above locations? I'd like people within those vicinities to check for the existence of a P25 control channel on the associated frequency. But preferably this wouldn't be checked during a time of tropo enhancement (like this morning).

If you are in one of these areas AND you can pull in one of these P25 control channel signals full scale from a handheld/desktop scanner using built-in/ducky antenna, then you can probably pin down the location as being your location. If you use an external (outside) antenna, you are subject to hearing things far away but thinking they are close because of tropo enhancement. You are much less likely to pull in something via tropo enhancement on a ducky antenna full scale.

Any takers?

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Just noticed this thread...

In Mon. Co with a ws1040 and a diamond RH77CA antenna. I Couldn't pickup anything on the 152.0375 P25 CC. Hope this helps
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With the snow storm affecting the Mid-Atlantic region this week I thought it would be a good time for a long term look at this system. Here is a list of talkgroups that are not in the database that UniTrunker logged while monitoring site 01-035 from 3/14 until 0930 3/17 -

11,13,21,23,25,26,27,28,31,33,35,51,63,86,1911 and 2911

There wasn't enough activity on them to pin-point locations with any degree of confidence.
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In Mon. Co with a ws1040 and a diamond RH77CA antenna. I Couldn't pickup anything on the 152.0375 P25 CC. Hope this helps
This does help. I'm sorry I overlooked this until now. That looks it should be Morgantown. And based upon all of the locations that I'm aware of [from FCC licenses], I'd really guess that is going to be Morgantown, especially with the signal strength you are showing there.

In my personal notes, the only possible sites I felt this would be were:

Morgantown (Monongalia)
Baxter (Marion)

I don't know if you are still around on the boards, but if you are and happen to see this I have a question. Given your location and scanning setup, do you feel there is any chance this would be Baxter [given the signal strength] ? Or do you feel that it would have to be Morgantown?

If this were Morgantown, some other frequencies that would be active at times are:

WQPE763
151.565
153.065
153.17

If this were Baxter, some other frequencies that would be active at times are:

WQPE763
153.275
153.68

Do you have any familiarty with using Pro96Com or Unitrunker to monitor P25 systems?

At any rate, thanks for the information. It is very useful.

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Folks,

There were numerous VHF sites added to the First Energy system years ago when the system was coming online. Those sites were confirmed active, but over time the locations still haven't been able to be determined.

Because those VHF sites with no locations set cause havoc in a few ways when they are listed in the DB, those particular VHF sites have been moved to the wiki.

The sites are:
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1-013    cc 152.0225 - likely Morgantown (Monongalia)
1-016    cc 152.0375 - likely Baxter (Marion)
1-102    cc 152.24 - perhaps Philippi (Barbour)
1-103    cc 152.63
1-196    cc 152.235
1-212    cc 152.63 - perhaps Duck (Clay)
1-213    cc 152.81 - perhaps Cedarville (Gilmer)
1-225    cc 152.66 - perhaps Grantsville (Calhoun) or Cedarville (Gilmer)
If you are somebody who is attempting to determine new sites on this system, or if you are someone who is interested in trying to track down some of the unknown locations, please browse the First Energy trunked system and then click on the Wiki button. Once in the wiki, click on the First Energy Site Research and you'll see the sites I'm referencing.

Most of the sites are in West Virginia somewhere, but nobody has been able to confirm exactly where.

Just don't forget about the sites listed in the wiki, since they are only listed in the wiki at this time but may still be useful to program into your scanner if you are in West Virginia.

Thanks

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Good evening,

Thanks for collecting the new Tower-site information. Please note it has been moved to a different page in the Wiki.

It seems that the TRS was renamed at some point from "First Energy: Allegheny Power" to "First Energy". This caused the associated Wiki pages to become disconnected from the DB, as happens when any DB listing (TRS or not) gets renamed.

A new Wiki page was created for First Energy before the old Wiki page "First Energy: Allegheny Power" could be MOVEd (renamed) accordingly. Subsequently, the old page has been redirected and then blanked for deletion.

The tower-site data that was listed on the recently-created "First Energy Site Research" page has been moved to the bottom of the existing page First Energy Site Information, which has a more extensive list of tower-sites. Subsequently, the "First Energy Site Research" page has also been redirected and then blanked for deletion accordingly.

Thanks again for contributing to the Wiki,
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Good evening,

Thanks for collecting the new Tower-site information. Please note it has been moved to a different page in the Wiki.

It seems that the TRS was renamed at some point from "First Energy: Allegheny Power" to "First Energy". This caused the associated Wiki pages to become disconnected from the DB, as happens when any DB listing (TRS or not) gets renamed.

A new Wiki page was created for First Energy before the old Wiki page "First Energy: Allegheny Power" could be MOVEd (renamed) accordingly. Subsequently, the old page has been redirected and then blanked for deletion.

The tower-site data that was listed on the recently-created "First Energy Site Research" page has been moved to the bottom of the existing page First Energy Site Information, which has a more extensive list of tower-sites. Subsequently, the "First Energy Site Research" page has also been redirected and then blanked for deletion accordingly.

Thanks again for contributing to the Wiki,
Thanks for doing that. Creating a proper wiki entry for a trunked system is very difficult for me. I tried my best to some things right the first time that I usually don't get right. I didn't even think about the old page, which I believe I had a hand in creating and/or contributing to over time. It just didnt cross my mind. Thanks for collecting / combining the info.

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Thanks for doing that. Creating a proper wiki entry for a trunked system is very difficult for me. I tried my best to some things right the first time that I usually don't get right. I didn't even think about the old page, which I believe I had a hand in creating and/or contributing to over time. It just didnt cross my mind. Thanks for collecting / combining the info.

Mike
You're certainly welcome, and you did a very good job creating the new page. The initial reason I was editing the TRS' primary-wiki page, was only to apply a new "InfoBox_TRS_..." template that is being tested/deployed, which is not yet listed in the main Templates-List pages.

Many "Research" Wiki pages use the same "<pre>" format style you employed. I think you did very well in creating both pages.

Thanks for all the good hard work!
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