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Old 03-06-2017, 6:39 PM
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While I appreciate the spirited debate and varied opinions, here is the bottom line per the official RRDB policy which was recently clarified by the lead admin:

"Location unknown" sites are not to be listed unless the location can be confirmed down at least to the county level. They can be added to the wiki page for the system, but not the database, until the location is confirmed by monitoring at least to the county level.
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Old 03-06-2017, 9:13 PM
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While I appreciate the spirited debate and varied opinions, here is the bottom line per the official RRDB policy which was recently clarified by the lead admin:

"Location unknown" sites are not to be listed unless the location can be confirmed down at least to the county level. They can be added to the wiki page for the system, but not the database, until the location is confirmed by monitoring at least to the county level.
Thanks for that. If I may ask, how long has it been official RRDB policy to not list location unknown sites?

Just curious.

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The honest answer is I don't exactly know. We used to list 'location unknown' sites all the time, as long as we were reasonably sure that they were legitimate, but hadn't been located yet. The Database Administrator Handbook is silent on the issue. When some in this thread took issue with us adding unidentified sites to the OneVoice system, I emailed the lead admin for clarification. His word for word reply was what I quoted in bold above.
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Thanks for that. If I may ask, how long has it been official RRDB policy to not list location unknown sites?

Just curious.

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I was asked to remove any sites that I couldn't identify down to, at least, the county level in 4th quarter 2016. So my guess is that it was sometime around there that the decision was made.

I don't recall the reasons, nor do I really want to know them, but I think a big part of the reason may have been complainers who would complain about site changes to "unidentified" sites on various systems turning their area green in the DB. They just couldn't handle it and whined.

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I was asked to remove any sites that I couldn't identify down to, at least, the county level in 4th quarter 2016. So my guess is that it was sometime around there that the decision was made.

I don't recall the reasons, nor do I really want to know them, but I think a big part of the reason may have been complainers who would complain about site changes to "unidentified" sites on various systems turning their area green in the DB. They just couldn't handle it and whined.

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I had questioned it around the first quarter of 2016 and was told basically the only way it would change would be when someone id'd the sites. Like I mentioned earlier, I did not really mind except for the fact that they all had a large range set. That was definitely affecting the zip code users, users that add channels on range and anyone using gps with a small range set.

As far as the green, for some it is a let down when you log in and see your area is green, only to see the new changes were a multisite/state system that was changed many miles away.
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That is going to happen regardless of the inclusion of "unidentified" sites. I'd like to see a genuine, valid, logical reason for excluding sites whose operator and system identification are in fact known. Not some admin's off-the-cuff proclamation. If the manual is silent, then somebody is making up rules. In this case, the made-up rule creates problems for some users without solving any for anyone.
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That is going to happen regardless of the inclusion of "unidentified" sites. I'd like to see a genuine, valid, logical reason for excluding sites whose operator and system identification are in fact known. Not some admin's off-the-cuff proclamation. If the manual is silent, then somebody is making up rules. In this case, the made-up rule creates problems for some users without solving any for anyone.
I very specifically noted that it was the LEAD ADMIN who clarified the policy. You know, the person in charge of the RRDB who actually does make the rules.

If you have an issue with this policy, take it up with Lead Database Administrator Tom Swisher (username wa8pyr)
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If I could make a minor suggestion? For the much less advanced, average user, it may be useful to put a note on the system's database page noting that there are several "location unknown" site listed in the Wiki. Many of them don't even know there is one.
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Listening in tomorrow between 04:00-17:00 should yield information for the New York Roadrunner's/NYC Triathalon. The rental radios should be using this system again.
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i am hearing an unidentified tg of 230010 on this is system. sounds like some sort of cycling event in the sparrowbush area of orange county ny
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