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Old 09-07-2017, 1:06 PM
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Just got lucky, did not see it again today..
FYI, Seems like 10 minutes after the hour was when it occurred each time it was sent yesterday..

2017/09/06 08:10:39 Network repeater map written to console log file
2017/09/06 10:11:23 Network repeater map written to console log file
2017/09/06 11:10:58 Network repeater map written to console log file
2017/09/06 14:11:31 Network repeater map written to console log file
2017/09/06 15:10:51 Network repeater map written to console log file
2017/09/06 16:10:54 Network repeater map written to console log file
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Default Changes in u2brent's 9-6-2017 network map

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Repeater Map For Con+ Network 141 Mid Atlantic Digital 9-6-2017
Did you notice this?

Site 12 Northumberland : LCN 6 and 7 added

LCN = 6 TX = 464.28750 RX = 469.28750 DCC = 12
LCN = 7 TX = 462.37500 RX = 467.37500 DCC = 12

Site 3 Malvern / Lionville : LCN 1 and LCN 12 frequencies swapped

LCN = 1 TX = 452.82500 RX = 457.82500 DCC = 3 CC (was 502.8625 on previous network map)
LCN = 2 TX = 461.67500 RX = 466.67500 DCC = 3 CC
LCN = 3 TX = 463.92500 RX = 468.92500 DCC = 3
LCN = 4 TX = 454.26250 RX = 459.26250 DCC = 3 CC
LCN = 5 TX = 452.87500 RX = 457.87500 DCC = 3
LCN = 6 TX = 461.07500 RX = 466.07500 DCC = 3
LCN = 7 TX = 461.10000 RX = 466.10000 DCC = 3
LCN = 8 TX = 461.72500 RX = 466.72500 DCC = 3
LCN = 9 TX = 461.75000 RX = 466.75000 DCC = 3
LCN = 10 TX = 461.77500 RX = 466.77500 DCC = 3
LCN = 11 TX = 464.45000 RX = 469.45000 DCC = 3
LCN = 12 TX = 502.86250 RX = 505.86250 DCC = 3 CC (was 452.825 on previous network map)

Sites added to network map

Sites 56, 57 and 58 added to the latest version of the network map

Summary:

Somebody who can monitor Malvern/Lionville should attempt to confirm the new LCN order. Obviously, all 12 freqs are probably not active. But both 502.8625 was confirmed as LCN 1 in the past and 452.825 was confirmed as LCN 12 in the past.

If they did switch frequencies on LCNs 1 through 12, people monitoring Malvern with anything other than a Whistler scanner are going to have issues.

Mike

PS: I updated the network map in the DB, except that I did not change LCN1 / LCN 12 frequencies for the Malvern site in the network map. We probably need to have confirmation that the LCN order indeed has changed first, or should attempt to.
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I have changed the DB name for this system from PA Digital Radio Network to Mid-Atlantic Digital Radio Network. I believe I have successfully moved the wiki pages in the proper way so they now all reference Mid-Atlantic Digital Radio Network.

I am going to ask a moderator to change the thread name

from: PA Digital Radio network - Connect Plus system 141
to: Mid-Atlantic Digital Radio Network - Connect Plus System 141

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Nice job Mike and good catch on the lcn swap. Will check that out today if i get a chance.

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Post Regarding Site 141-3 Malvern PA

The LCN in the OTA file has never changed..
See Voyagers original post..
http://forums.radioreference.com/mul...ml#post2758691

I did update the wiki a while back when 502.86250 was found to be LCN 1 I swapped it with 12. I think this is where I created the issue.

the latest file did not change, see this post-
http://forums.radioreference.com/mul...ml#post2814999
It still says what Voyager's file said in June.

But unless something changed in Malvern since August 26th. http://forums.radioreference.com/mul...ml#post2810360
I am sure 502.86250 is in real life LCN 1 despite the OTA Network map.

At the beginning of this post-
http://forums.radioreference.com/mul...ml#post2815024
I attempted to point out this paradox..

Now I'm confused.. LOL
I dunno it's late. I should go to bed..
Just goes to show the data should be ingested with a lot of salt because some of it may be rotten.. If that makes any sense..

I did make some minor tweaks to the wiki page-
Mid-Atlantic Digital Radio Network - The RadioReference Wiki
It seems we were trying to edit the page at the same time..
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I did update the wiki a while back when 502.86250 was found to be LCN 1 I swapped it with 12. I think this is where I created the issue.
Ok, that explains. Since the network map is specifically what was lransmitted by the system, the network map in the DB probably should always exactly mimic the latest network map -- no changes. If something needs changed because somebody confirmed differently, then that is data for the DB.

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I did make some minor tweaks to the wiki page-
Mid-Atlantic Digital Radio Network - The RadioReference Wiki
It seems we were trying to edit the page at the same time..
Can't tell what you changed, but I'll look.

Thanks to Mike JJZ for fixing that damned infobox. It was using a multi-state TRS infobox, which didn't display things correctly. Now it links to the proper forum, etc.

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Brent,

I edited the network map in the wiki to:

a. remove unnecessary bullets
b. bolden a few more things
c. make a note about what the network map itself says about Malvern

Regarding "C", my thought is that if we are publishing the Network Map in the DB, then it should reflect exactly what was transmitted OTA. I understand that people who truly want to track the whole system accurately would want to go by that network map, and that if the LCN order in the network map is not truly the correct LCN order for Malvern they'd have issues. So if somethign needs done down the road like that, a note should be made of what the network map itself revealed versus what real world monitoring revealed.


Mike

PS: Thanks, Mike KA3JJZ, for editing the wiki page to swap out the Multi-County TRS Infobox for a Multi-State TRS Infobox. Now all the links work. I couldn't figure out how to do that.

PPS: Although the network map could be wrong, I'd really question Malvern LCN 1 / 12 and think that those who are able to monitor it should attempt to absolutely confirm which frequency is LCN and which one is LCN 12. Both are designated CC's, so we can't just assume that if 502.8625 is the current CC then it must be LCN 1/2. DSDPlus would reveal it pretty quickly if one were sitting on the current CC and noted the LCNs when voice traffic was heard on slot 2 of the current CC.
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And those new sites, 56, 57 and 58 should be interesting. I can't find any FCC data to support all listed frequencies at a single site for any of those. Checked PA/DE/NJ/NY/MD. Wondering if they didn't start purposefully polluting the network map to throw monitoring enthusiasts off.

I'll take my tin foil hat off now.

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The tweaks I was refering to was the fact that all the data confirmed to be true is in BOLD TEXT now, (I would have made them a different color but that does not appear to be an option)

If you scroll down below site 58 you'll see some more info that was not there before.

I understand about the OTA file not being messed with, I agree differences should be noted for the few who even care about any of this, It is quite possible somebody living near New Holland is getting kicks out of reading all this hub-bub they've created..

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I put all those bullets in because I thought it looked better. I see that someone has swapped site 3 lcn 1 & 12 again!, they no longer reflect what was broadcast but rather what we, or at least I believe to be correct.. Seems to counter your request to leave the map alone..

I will leave it at that..

Looks good though...Less bullets does look better!

http://forums.radioreference.com/mul...ml#post2814999

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I put all those bullets in because I thought it looked better. I see that someone has swapped site 3 lcn 1 & 12 again!, they no longer reflect what was broadcast but rather what we, or at least I believe to be correct.. Seems to counter your request to leave the map alone..

I will leave it at that..

Looks good though...Less bullets does look better!

http://forums.radioreference.com/mul...ml#post2814999
Yeah, after switching LCN1/12 freqs, I switched them back -- with a notation instead that states that the network map really sent the opposite.

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Folks,

The MADRN talkgroup categories in the DB are going to be revamped. Unsure how it is going to look in the end, but you can be sure that no matter how it is done it will PO somebody.

Separating what are mostly business entities on a wide area trunked system [where they can often roam all over] into county-specific categories does not make sense in my mind. So many of the things that could be "based in" such and such county end up serving many counties.

Separating each and every entity out into its own talkgroup category would be a maintenance nightmare and not make any sense either.

Unconfirmed talkgroups are allowed on business trunked systems, but given that they are unconfirmed (as to company/agency using them), they are going to go into a "Unconfirmed" talkgroup category. If we knew the agency/business using them, they would be confirmed.

We'll figure something out. I'll have to confer with a few other trusted admins and see what we can come up with. In the meantime it is what it is. Remember, one can always program in a wildcard and hear everything. So, a talkgroup not being listed doesn't prevent people from hearing it if they program their scanner to use a wildcard. On the other hand, site information needs to be confirmed. We know there are plenty of sites (perhaps a dozen or more) that are online but have not been confirmed yet and thus aren't listed in the DB.

So for those who are inclined and able, you should try to focus on confirming online sites and their specific attributes (LCN orders, active LCNs).

We'll get things cleaned up, but as I stated early above there is nothing we can do that will please everyone . There will always be somebody who doesn't like how it is done.

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FYI, New TG id confirmed..

11700 York Suburban School Buses (York County)

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Old 09-21-2017, 7:37 PM
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Nice.

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Got 2 more:

11130 West York School Buses (York County)

https://www.wyasd.k12.pa.us/

3625 Lower Dauphin School Buses (Dauphin County)

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