B.l.m. Carson district/sierra front interagency dispatch

gvranchosbill · #1 (**permalink**) 05-28-2009, 12:11 PM

I MUST BE BEATING A DEAD HORSE BUT I HAVE TRIED ALMOST EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF
TO GET NEW FREQUENCYS FOR THIS AGENCY [BLM] ALL I CAN FIND IS THE FREQ I FOUND BY
SEARCHING 169.9875 AT IT IS BEING USED EVERYDAY BUT IT SOUNDS STRANGE LIKE A LONG DISTANCE PHONE CALL FROM THE 70'S. IAM PICKING UP McCLELLAN PEAK EXTREMLY WELL BUT THE UNITS XMITING ON THE REPEATER HAVE A LOT OF HIGH PITCHED HISS/STATIC BUT MIDEN MUST BE HARDWIRED OR HAS A GOOD MICROWAVE LINK SETUP THEY SOUND
GREAT AND I CAN HEAR VIRGINIA PEAK OK TO. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR UNITS IN CARSON
ON SIMPLEX BUT I DONT HEAR ANYBODY EXCEPT MINDEN OR UNIT USING RPTR AND SIMPLEX
IN DOUGLAS COUNTY WHEN MINDEN TRANSMITS 146.2 SHOWS UP WHEN TALKING TO SIMPLEX
UNITS AND THEY ARE SHOWING 110.9 IVE GOT THREE SCANNERS USING ROOFTOP VHF
ANTTENAS WITH PREAMPS SEARCHING THE U.S GOV BAND 162.TO 174. IM FINDING FREQS THAT
IVE NEVER HEARD BEFORE MOSTLY BECAUSE I HAVENT PUT THIS MUCH EFFORT TO FINDING
THE NEW FREQS. ALL U.S.F.S REPEATERS ARE AMAZINGLY CLEAR T.N.F.,E.N.F,T.M.U,,
P.N.F,H.T.N.F. AND ENCRYPTED CHANNELS LOOKED UP CUSTOMS,F.B.I.,A.T.F. ETC WHATS GOING ON WITH THE B.L.M FIRE SEASON IS HERE AND I HAVE NEXT TO NOTHING ON THEM
ARE THE USING VHF? ARE THEY CROSSBANDING? I JUST HEARD #2033 ON McCLELLAN
ADVISING THEY WILL BE IN THE PIAUTE CANYON AND THEY WERE 10-02. MY BIGGEST
QUESTION IS WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEM ARE THEY USING THEY USED TO BE SIMPLE
415.0250 DOWNLINK ,CONVENTIONAL REPEATER 169.0250/186.2 IN TO McCLELLAN AND 169.7750
CSQ OUT AND I COULD HEAR MOST SIMPLEX TRAFFIC 35/40 MILES, FAIRVIEW,FORT SAGE,
CORY PK ALL CAME READABLE, NOW I DONT HEAR THEM ANYMORE EXCEPT THE TWO
RPTRS, ALL DOCUMENTATION I CAN FIND IS NOW WRONG THEY ARE NOT ON 169.7750
ANYMORE TONES FOR 2009 ALSO DOES NOT HAVE 186.2 ON IT. SO WHAT IS GOING ON?
THIS STRANGE SYSYEM MAYBE NOT FINISHED YET? I EVEN E-MAILED B.L.M. AND THEY
DID NOT RESPOND. IF YOU CAN RECIEVE 169.9875 YOU WILL HEAR THE DIFFERENCE AND
IF THERE DONE INSTALLING IT @#(^&$%#'S. IVE LOOKED IN EVERY BOOK I OWN AND
THEY DIDNT RECYCLE THIS FREQ FROM ANY AGENCYS UNDER THE DEPT of THE INTERIOR
THRE IS NOTHING REMOTLY INDICATING THI CHANGE OTHR THAN INSTRUCTIONS ON THE USE
OF NARROW BAND RADIOS VS WIDEBAND RADIOS. THE RENO AND CARSON CITY MUTUAL
AID CONTRACTS CURRENTLY LISTING ONLY THE OLD BLM FREQS. I JUST HEARD A UNIT ON SIMPLEX TRANSMITTING ON VHF SIMPLEX SO CROSSBANDING IS OUT THE WINDOW.
IAM FRAUSTATED ABOUT THE LACK OF OR NO INFO, WHAT ABOUT S.O.A. 171.6750?
SOMBODY HAS THE ANSWER OUT THERE SOMEWARE I WANT COMPLETE MY UPDATED FIRE
INFO FOR THE 2009 SEASON I FEEL WILL BE ACTIVE. THE HORSE IS NOW BEATEN IM GOING
BACK TO SEARCHING AND LISTENING FOR THE LITTLEST SCRAP OF INFO.SOON AS THEY SEND THEM ON A WILDFIRE I MIGHT FIND OUT SOMTHING ALL THERE DOING FROM WHAT
I HEAR IS PATROLING AND REDUCING FUELS OUT IN THE PINENUTS AND OTHER AREAS.
"AGAIN THOUGH" 169.7750 IS DEAD THE NEW FRQ IS 169.9875 AND I HAVE NO OTHER DATA.

I AM 10-42 OR 10-07

joking · #2 (**permalink**) 05-28-2009, 10:39 PM

I too have heard them on 169.9875 using 146.2 - but so far have haerd nothing else until yesterday when I caught Minden at the very tail end of their 11 am weather bcdst - it was on 162.2375 unfortunately I had my 995t in search mode with the CTCSS disabled in case I get a P25 transmission - I now have it my R and D bank with the CTCSS search turned on but I will not get a chance for any monitoring until Saturday - WOOOOOPS as i was typing this i just got a hit on 162.2375 talking to a 33 series unit - the CTCSS shown was 203.5 then in comms with 4234 apparently back at Palimino again tone was 203.5 so maybe this will fit in somewhere - any way during the bcdst I heard yesterday i cycled the search and there was nothing on 169.9875 - however just after the bcdst on 162.2375 - they then did the bcdst on 169.9875 - anyway if I get more i will certainly share - Joe

sfdf · #3 (**permalink**) 05-29-2009, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvranchosbill

I MUST BE BEATING A DEAD HORSE BUT I HAVE TRIED ALMOST EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF
TO GET NEW FREQUENCYS FOR THIS AGENCY [BLM] ALL I CAN FIND IS THE FREQ I FOUND BY
SEARCHING 169.9875 AT IT IS BEING USED EVERYDAY BUT IT SOUNDS STRANGE LIKE A LONG DISTANCE PHONE CALL FROM THE 70'S. IAM PICKING UP McCLELLAN PEAK EXTREMLY WELL BUT THE UNITS XMITING ON THE REPEATER HAVE A LOT OF HIGH PITCHED HISS/STATIC BUT MIDEN MUST BE HARDWIRED OR HAS A GOOD MICROWAVE LINK SETUP THEY SOUND
GREAT AND I CAN HEAR VIRGINIA PEAK OK TO. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR UNITS IN CARSON
ON SIMPLEX BUT I DONT HEAR ANYBODY EXCEPT MINDEN OR UNIT USING RPTR AND SIMPLEX
IN DOUGLAS COUNTY WHEN MINDEN TRANSMITS 146.2 SHOWS UP WHEN TALKING TO SIMPLEX
UNITS AND THEY ARE SHOWING 110.9 IVE GOT THREE SCANNERS USING ROOFTOP VHF
ANTTENAS WITH PREAMPS SEARCHING THE U.S GOV BAND 162.TO 174. IM FINDING FREQS THAT
IVE NEVER HEARD BEFORE MOSTLY BECAUSE I HAVENT PUT THIS MUCH EFFORT TO FINDING
THE NEW FREQS. ALL U.S.F.S REPEATERS ARE AMAZINGLY CLEAR T.N.F.,E.N.F,T.M.U,,
P.N.F,H.T.N.F. AND ENCRYPTED CHANNELS LOOKED UP CUSTOMS,F.B.I.,A.T.F. ETC WHATS GOING ON WITH THE B.L.M FIRE SEASON IS HERE AND I HAVE NEXT TO NOTHING ON THEM
ARE THE USING VHF? ARE THEY CROSSBANDING? I JUST HEARD #2033 ON McCLELLAN
ADVISING THEY WILL BE IN THE PIAUTE CANYON AND THEY WERE 10-02. MY BIGGEST
QUESTION IS WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEM ARE THEY USING THEY USED TO BE SIMPLE
415.0250 DOWNLINK ,CONVENTIONAL REPEATER 169.0250/186.2 IN TO McCLELLAN AND 169.7750
CSQ OUT AND I COULD HEAR MOST SIMPLEX TRAFFIC 35/40 MILES, FAIRVIEW,FORT SAGE,
CORY PK ALL CAME READABLE, NOW I DONT HEAR THEM ANYMORE EXCEPT THE TWO
RPTRS, ALL DOCUMENTATION I CAN FIND IS NOW WRONG THEY ARE NOT ON 169.7750
ANYMORE TONES FOR 2009 ALSO DOES NOT HAVE 186.2 ON IT. SO WHAT IS GOING ON?
THIS STRANGE SYSYEM MAYBE NOT FINISHED YET? I EVEN E-MAILED B.L.M. AND THEY
DID NOT RESPOND. IF YOU CAN RECIEVE 169.9875 YOU WILL HEAR THE DIFFERENCE AND
IF THERE DONE INSTALLING IT @#(^&$%#'S. IVE LOOKED IN EVERY BOOK I OWN AND
THEY DIDNT RECYCLE THIS FREQ FROM ANY AGENCYS UNDER THE DEPT of THE INTERIOR
THRE IS NOTHING REMOTLY INDICATING THI CHANGE OTHR THAN INSTRUCTIONS ON THE USE
OF NARROW BAND RADIOS VS WIDEBAND RADIOS. THE RENO AND CARSON CITY MUTUAL
AID CONTRACTS CURRENTLY LISTING ONLY THE OLD BLM FREQS. I JUST HEARD A UNIT ON SIMPLEX TRANSMITTING ON VHF SIMPLEX SO CROSSBANDING IS OUT THE WINDOW.
IAM FRAUSTATED ABOUT THE LACK OF OR NO INFO, WHAT ABOUT S.O.A. 171.6750?
SOMBODY HAS THE ANSWER OUT THERE SOMEWARE I WANT COMPLETE MY UPDATED FIRE
INFO FOR THE 2009 SEASON I FEEL WILL BE ACTIVE. THE HORSE IS NOW BEATEN IM GOING
BACK TO SEARCHING AND LISTENING FOR THE LITTLEST SCRAP OF INFO.SOON AS THEY SEND THEM ON A WILDFIRE I MIGHT FIND OUT SOMTHING ALL THERE DOING FROM WHAT
I HEAR IS PATROLING AND REDUCING FUELS OUT IN THE PINENUTS AND OTHER AREAS.
"AGAIN THOUGH" 169.7750 IS DEAD THE NEW FRQ IS 169.9875 AND I HAVE NO OTHER DATA.

I AM 10-42 OR 10-07

Why are you shouting ? turn your Caps off it is not polite to type all caps and it gives me a headache just to try to read it.

sfdf · #4 (**permalink**) 05-29-2009, 02:27 AM

Not sure if this is part of your post ! FYI

Just received this notice & am passing it along to the groups:

----------------------------------------------------------

May 27, 2009

To: All North Tahoe Fire Cooperators

Subject: Grass Valley ECC Dispatch Frequencies.

North Tahoe Fire Protection District will change
dispatch centers on June 1, 2009. We are leaving
Placer County Dispatch and moving our dispatch
operations to Grass Valley ECC (Emergency Command
Center) effective at 10:00 Hrs on June 1, 2009.

The following frequency changes for North Tahoe F.P.D.:

Primary – NEU (Receive 154.130) (Transmit 159.495) (Tone 8 103.5Hz)

TAC Default –
(Placer East) - (Receive 154.400) (Transmit 153.770) (Tone 8 103.5Hz)

TAC (White 3) – (Receive 154.295) (Transmit 154.295)

TAC (White 2) – (Receive 154.265) (Transmit 154.265)

Please contact Operations with any questions.

Thank you,

Peter N. Poe
Assistant Chief

gvranchosbill · #5 (**permalink**) 05-29-2009, 11:57 AM

I PICK UP NEU EAST FULL QUIETING vs PLACER EAST IS ALWAYS 10-01 GVRANCHOSBILL

gvranchosbill · #6 (**permalink**) 05-29-2009, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfdf

Why are you shouting ? turn your Caps off it is not polite to type all caps and it gives me a headache just to try to read it.

I have this bad habit or handicap of typing with one finger shortly after i will experiance numbness which graduates to slumped in my chair reaching
out to to type with one finger getting extremly lazy at this point i am computer iliterite i think i spelled
that wrong also i took typing a,b,c in high school but a weapon unused is a usless weapon (spies like-
- us quote) ill try to keep my shouting to a minimum.
gvranchosbill

Exsmokey · #7 (**permalink**) 05-30-2009, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvranchosbill

a weapon unused is a usless weapon (spies like-- us quote)
gvranchosbill

Let me just start by saying, "Doctor, doctor; Doctor, doctor; Doctor, doctor . . . . . . . . "

Is is possible that 169.9875 MHz is the repeater input to 162.2375 MHz? It would explain some, but not all, of your observations. This change from 169.775 MHz must be recent as I'm fairly sure I heard something on Corey Peak using this frequency about 4 weeks ago, before I took off for a month of traveling or otherwise being too busy to do much listening. Years ago I would not have said that as most radios had a working range of only 3 MHz, but that is not true anymore. I've seen some information about some Forest Service newly narrow banded systems with 5-7 MHz of difference between input and output.

As for the UHF link frequency these changed as a result of a new allocation of the 406-420 MHz federal government band. Look for down links in the 406 MHz through 410 MHz range. Unfortunately, if you live some distance away from the remote base and dispatch most systems changed from those that repeated the up link on the down link, to not doing so. That means you have to be close enough the the dispatcher to here the up link direct.

We had a member who moved to Winnemucca from somewhere in the east a year or two ago, who accepted a dispatch job in the Central Nevada Communications Center. I'm wondering if he is still visiting this website and can fill us in.

The reason that the BLM did not answer is that they are not able to officially release that information anymore. This change occurred about 2 years ago due to some homeland security concerns. This is also when the National Interagency Fire Center stopped putting the national air tanker contract sections showing specific aircraft and the scheduling of same on the Internet.

This is too bad as I think when people listen to any agency, be it a federal natural resource agency, like the BLM, or a local fire department, they begin to understand and have empathy for the employees working there. Although I must say that listening on the radio does not come close to letting you know far less than the half of it. This was rather clear during my Forest Service career.

I'm going to add 169.9875 MHz and 162.2375 MHz frequencies into my base station scanner and if my hunch is correct I think I will only hear something on 162.2375 MHz from Corey. The trouble with this is that Corey is used infrequently except when the announcement is made that Minden is out of and in service.

And Bill, I'm sorry to hear about the physical challenges of typing for you. Didn't I read that you have some back problems that lead to the numbness in the hands?

gvranchosbill · #8 (**permalink**) 05-31-2009, 01:02 PM

Ive been listening to 169.9875 and 162.2375 and iam hearing minden using the same tones[114.8,
151.4,173.8,186.2,203.5 ] on 162.2375 and then i hear minden169.9875 repeating with output tone 146.2
and simplex local mobile 110.9 0n 169.9875 and minden responding back with tone 146.2 i have tried a quik key
up on 162.2375 tone 186.2 mcclellan and does not work but scanner showing 186.2 on 162.2375 and
repeating on 169.9875 tone 146.2 something is missing. I tried them the other way around to just for
the heck of it but no luck. I just heard minden on 162.2375 tone 173.8 [fort sage] and nothing on 169.9875
then i heard minden on 169.9875 tone 146.2 talking to bridgeport,topaz station and nothing on 162.2375
is it possible that these ar both output repeaters? I really dont think so but somthing does not make
sense to me yet.

gvranchosbill · #9 (**permalink**) 05-31-2009, 01:18 PM

Is there somthing i dont know as far as a sub audible tone riding along with the ctcss tone
i checked my tranceiver with freq counter and its right on freq [narrow band] and scanner shows tone
and i can hear the tone, i get nothing when switching to dcs. If 162.2375 is input[im asumming that because the use of multiple tones and 169.9875 repeating somtimes and using just one tone 146.2]
i should be able to hear fairview,virginia,corey and mcclellan at my location not fort sage but i can bearly
hear virginia i can hear mcclellan loud and clear and minden direct though i think direct is comming through mcclellan. And one other thing is the tones are not part of the blm standard tone pick list?

gvranchosbill · #10 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 12:38 AM

I was able to confirm at about 9:00pm sunday that we have the right frequencys.

FREQ INPUT LICENSE TYPE TONE DESCRIPTION MODE
169.9875 ------------ KOJ437 B 146.2 B.L.M. LOCAL/BASE FM
169.9875 ------------ KOJ437 M 110.9 B.L.M. LOCAL/MOBILE FM
169.9875 ------------ ----------- M 110.9 B.L.M. CAR to CAR FM

169.9875 162.2375 KOJ437 MR 114.8 B.L.M. FAIRVIEW PK FM
169.9875 162.2375 KOJ437 MR 151.4 B.L.M. COREY PK FM
169.9875 162.2375 KOJ437 MR 173.8 B.L.M. FORT SAGE FM
169.9875 162.2375 KOJ437 MR 186.2 B.L.M. McCLELLAN PK FM
169.9875 162.2375 KOJ437 MR 203.5 B.L.M. VIRGINIA PK FM

Their McClellan Peak Reciever is selective towards everyware but to the south
or it has a problem[not omni directional], but the input and output is correct and
B.L.M. mobile local is 110.9 input,base is 146.2 output and 110.9 local car to car
on 169.9875 mhz.

Exsmokey · #11 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 02:16 AM

Bill, it really isn't a good idea to be keying up a federal radio system without authorization, let alone be talking about it on a public forum. This stated if I correctly understand what you wrote.

Now aren't lines 3 and 4 of the 169.9375 simplex information the same thing? Local/mobile use with a tone of 110.9 and car to car are really the same thing.

I know you are doing the best you can typing and writing, but I'm having some difficulty understanding your discusion of and questions about tones.

In any case I am going to add 169.9875 to my base station radio tommorow and listen around 1800 when they normally sign off to see if I can hear it on Corey.

Thanks for your observation of this frequency change. I may have not noticed it for several weeks as the traffic I hear on Corey is infrequent.

ka3jjz · #12 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 05:36 AM

Gvranchosbill email sent. Please check 73 and thanx Mike

joking · #13 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 11:30 AM

Just noticed that the link on the Western Great Basin Cordination Center website to the Western Great Basin Aviation Communicaions Plan that had the 2008 frequencies is now password protected - so guess we gonna have to to this the old fashion way - Listening - as the fire season starts up will just have to start monitoring !!!

GACC >Logistics/Dispatch >Aviation

joking · #14 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 11:46 AM

Here is a link to the 2008 BLM repeater map - they appear to be using the same tones so this may help us a little - don't know how long this link will stay up - the NDF map is there also - Joe

Map Map BLM VHF FM Base Stations and Repeaters

joking · #15 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 11:53 AM

Also over the weekend I was able to download a 2009 Air to Ground freq map for the Easrtern Great Basin (UT and ID) - I was going to post that link but notice that it has now been taken down - it is a 2 page pdf document and is marked FOUO, as I get time I can post these freqs long form if it ok with the admin - Joe

joking · #16 (**permalink**) 06-03-2009, 02:36 PM

I found the Eastern Great Basin Document at another location - here is the link - grab it while you can !!

http://gacc.nifc.gov/egbc/logistics/...GB_FM_2009.pdf

ecps92 · #17 (**permalink**) 06-03-2009, 03:23 PM

One thing I have found over the years is to Download, Save and store these, then...Post before they disappear.

Wish I had done that for the CAP Channels over the years.

Good Catch

Quote:

Originally Posted by joking

I found the Eastern Great Basin Document at another location - here is the link - grab it while you can !!

http://gacc.nifc.gov/egbc/logistics/...GB_FM_2009.pdf

Exsmokey · #18 (**permalink**) 06-03-2009, 10:24 PM

I wasn't there to listen but my scanner logged 169.9875 with a tone of 146.2. I should only be able to hear Corey with a tone of 151.4 so I don't know why I logged 146.2. I know I can't hear anything else on McClellan and the possibility of receiving the remote base on that peak is, well, remote.

Exsmokey · #19 (**permalink**) 06-08-2009, 10:07 AM

I'm picking up more traffic on the new BLM Carson City District frequency and every transmission has a tone of 146.2. Has anyone else noticed this on other repeaters? I can only pick up Corey Peak down here in Mammoth.

Exsmokey · #20 (**permalink**) 06-08-2009, 10:46 AM

I was just rewriting my northern/eastern Nevada PSR-600 V-File and have been reminded that the Carson City and Ely (north) BLM Districts shared 169.775 MHz. I wonder if this switch to 169.9875 was done for the Ely District as well. I don't think we have any RR members in Ely, however, if those in Elko can pick up Kern Mountain or Bald Mountain from Elko we could find out. How about it Elko?

I also wonder if the other BLM Districts in Nevada will be making changes. The Las Vegas and Elko Districts share 169.400 and the Winnemucca and Ely (south) share 170.025 so if members there could monitor these and report back it would be helpful. Battle Mountain is on 171.725 by itself and I don't think we have any members in Tonopah, Goldfield, Austin, or Battle Mountain that can tell us.