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Old 04-19-2014, 7:30 PM
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701 is the municipal code for Belleville NJ,like 714 is for Newark.
Ok so if I understand you correctly in the UID,701 is the municipal's code for Belleville? 714 for Newark...ect.
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Yes that's correct,http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/omb/.../municodes.pdf
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Old 04-20-2014, 8:28 AM
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I have shared my radio id spreadsheet on dropbox. Anyone should be able to link to it and have it automatically update when I make changes. There are also 2 text files, 700ids.txt and 800ids.txt. If you load either of those into excel, you can copy and paste the contents directly into sentinel or the GRE800 software. If it doesn't work please let me know.

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I was in Jersey City on Friday and left my HP running in the the car logging the 700 system on the West Orange site. I got Belleville affiliating on 4221 and 4227. At the very least they have 4 talkgroups.

4221 - 7010xx
4227 - 7013xx

I know we have discussed TGID 4273 before. I show hits on that one with RID 89062 & 89073. (I have never seen any radios close to that range before).
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Sounds like Belleville switched over today. Calls being dispatched on 4221
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Wait Belleville New Jersey Police went to a 700mhz system?
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Old 04-21-2014, 8:32 PM
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Holy Toledo!!... I think I just got a hit on 4221 for Belleville PD I recognized a street name wow!!!
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Database updated for their dispatch TG. I'll add the other 3 tomorrow.
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Another journalistic masterpiece.

"Plus, in addition to the dead zones, there’s another issue that’s driving the replacement of the existing units, [so and so] said. The current communications system relies on phone lines to carry signals through several antenna relays or, in communications jargon, “repeaters,” so “if the phone lines go down, we’re done,” he said."

“The future is going to be digital signals, transmitted via microwave relays,” [someone] said. “Under the PSIC (Public Safety Interoperable Communications) system that Homeland Security wants us – along with every other police and fire department in the state – to use, the state will maintain the infrastructure. There will be no phone lines but there will be minimal (telecommunications) maintenance fee.”
And, with most microwave initiatives, the last mile may not be a good path, or spectrum might not be available for the desired bandwidth. Sometimes they do use wireline or fiber. Regardless, there is still a dependence on infrastructure, albeit different kinds. The real problem is when FirstNet turns up in the NY Metro and stakes claim to the 50 MHz of 4.9 GHz microwave that was the public safety end-all. In that 50 MHz, there are only 2 non-overlapping 20 MHz channels. Unless they're going to share 2.4 or 5.8 GHz for last mile, or maybe go for DSRC or something else where IDU/ODU configuration is widely available. Final thought on this, a spoke is still a single point of failure.

"At the same time, the Federal Communications Commission is implementing a nationwide mandate to reserve certain radio frequencies in the 700 megahertz band for government first responders to prevent interference from commercial users, effective Jan. 1, 2013."
That's news to me, and I work in the business. I must've slept through that or thought the memo was junk mail.

"...the new radios will also be equipped with a GPS application so that if an officer is injured or trapped at a fire scene or some other not easily accessible location, the officer can be traced through that feature."
PD needs that feature, I agree. Anything for safety. Fire has different needs because their work tends to be more structural interior. GPS signals are attenuated inside structures and won't be accurate, or might send old data from the last position acquisition. Other technologies for firefighter location inside structures have yet to be developed. Not saying "don't" but just proceed with caution.

Radio articles in newspapers always seem to give me the agita.

The one thing I do agree with, having followed Belleville since they were "388" on 155.61, is they do need better radios (and the system to go with it).

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Any idea who's using TG 2291 (Troop C Unassigned)? It's very active on the Bordentown site with radio IDs in the 158xx range.

Edit: just divided TG 36656 from 800 MHz by 16 and it's Trenton City Patrols TG,this needs to be fixed in the DB.
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Database updated for their dispatch TG. I'll add the other 3 tomorrow.

Can you change the mode to "T" in the database. Its listed as 'D"
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Done. You guys need to implicitly mention what mode it's in when you catch these new TGID's as they pop up...
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Another journalistic masterpiece.

"Plus, in addition to the dead zones, there’s another issue that’s driving the replacement of the existing units, [so and so] said. The current communications system relies on phone lines to carry signals through several antenna relays or, in communications jargon, “repeaters,” so “if the phone lines go down, we’re done,” he said."

“The future is going to be digital signals, transmitted via microwave relays,” [someone] said. “Under the PSIC (Public Safety Interoperable Communications) system that Homeland Security wants us – along with every other police and fire department in the state – to use, the state will maintain the infrastructure. There will be no phone lines but there will be minimal (telecommunications) maintenance fee.”
And, with most microwave initiatives, the last mile may not be a good path, or spectrum might not be available for the desired bandwidth. Sometimes they do use wireline or fiber. Regardless, there is still a dependence on infrastructure, albeit different kinds. The real problem is when FirstNet turns up in the NY Metro and stakes claim to the 50 MHz of 4.9 GHz microwave that was the public safety end-all. In that 50 MHz, there are only 2 non-overlapping 20 MHz channels. Unless they're going to share 2.4 or 5.8 GHz for last mile, or maybe go for DSRC or something else where IDU/ODU configuration is widely available. Final thought on this, a spoke is still a single point of failure.

"At the same time, the Federal Communications Commission is implementing a nationwide mandate to reserve certain radio frequencies in the 700 megahertz band for government first responders to prevent interference from commercial users, effective Jan. 1, 2013."
That's news to me, and I work in the business. I must've slept through that or thought the memo was junk mail.

"...the new radios will also be equipped with a GPS application so that if an officer is injured or trapped at a fire scene or some other not easily accessible location, the officer can be traced through that feature."
PD needs that feature, I agree. Anything for safety. Fire has different needs because their work tends to be more structural interior. GPS signals are attenuated inside structures and won't be accurate, or might send old data from the last position acquisition. Other technologies for firefighter location inside structures have yet to be developed. Not saying "don't" but just proceed with caution.

Radio articles in newspapers always seem to give me the agita.

The one thing I do agree with, having followed Belleville since they were "388" on 155.61, is they do need better radios (and the system to go with it).
LOL funny agita oh man did you give me a chuckle when I read that post!! I remember when they were on 155.610 I think they shared that frequency with Fort Lee?
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I was a junior in bhs when they went to 800mhz. I also remember the days of 388 they were also using some type of encryption on one of their other frequencies. Fd used one of the 800mhz frequencies for a very short time.
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Spoke to my contact at Belleville Fire today, he confirmed that fire and dpw will also be going on PSIC over the course of the next few months. Belleville Police will also keep there 800 system up and running so it would be wise to keep that old system in your radios for now. He also told me once fire switches to PSIC that they will be keeping up there VHF system so mutual aid towns like North Arlington, Nutley and Bloomfield will be able to communicate with them, Fire has two portables in test right now on PSIC for those who track those things here . help this information helps.
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NJ Transit is doing radio testing today on the 800/700 talkgroups on the trains. A bunch of new portables showed up the last couple days in the 120xx range. From what I heard, they are doing testing on the train routes.
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Do you think the TETRA system is going to go away if transit uses the PSIC system?
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