Newark Fire switching to (PSIC) 700MHZ

r60 · #1 (**permalink**) 07-20-2012, 2:15 PM

Sources indicate that Newark Fire is in the process of ordering equipment and is now planning to switch to PSIC 700MHZ.

Makes sense as they did extensive testing in the city as reported by others on the State PSIC thread.

Anyone confirm? Dates?

RadioDitch · #2 (**permalink**) 07-21-2012, 9:07 PM

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Originally Posted by r60

Sources indicate that Newark Fire is in the process of ordering equipment and is now planning to switch to PSIC 700MHZ.

Makes sense as they did extensive testing in the city as reported by others on the State PSIC thread.

Anyone confirm? Dates?

I've been waiting for someone to say something.

The rumblings I heard say early next year, December at the quickest but that was unlikely. I've also heard that Newark PD is at least entertaining the idea.

nosoup4u · #3 (**permalink**) 07-22-2012, 8:04 AM

Considering how many incidents in Newark spill out onto Route 78, it would make sense. At least then NPD could talk directly to NJSP.

RadioDitch · #4 (**permalink**) 07-22-2012, 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nosoup4u

Considering how many incidents in Newark spill out onto Route 78, it would make sense. At least then NPD could talk directly to NJSP.

It also makes sense operationally cause for the last few months, the chatter in the EMS community has been that if Christie signs the Rutgers/UMDNJ legislation, which includes the disolution of any association between University Hospital and the educational system, that UMDNJ EMS would be dropped and NFD or NPD would take it over.

Validity? Unknown.

(PS: Just to be a little clearer, the bill states that if signed into law, Rutgers would receive all of UMDNJ, except University Hospital. UH would become a stand-alone public hospital in it's own little state-funded world. Albeit one where it's already $150 million in debt.)

npd155 · #5 (**permalink**) 07-24-2012, 6:45 PM

NPD / NFD will never ever take over ems in any way. When Cory Booker came into office there was a quick study done on the feasibility of the fire dept conducting some ems within the city and it was quickly washed away. The current communications center can barley handle the load and it would cost millions and millions to take over an ems system which loses millions and millions a year.

As far as 700 MHz... they are looking into it.

RadioDitch · #6 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by npd155

NPD / NFD will never ever take over ems in any way. When Cory Booker came into office there was a quick study done on the feasibility of the fire dept conducting some ems within the city and it was quickly washed away. The current communications center can barley handle the load and it would cost millions and millions to take over an ems system which loses millions and millions a year.

As far as 700 MHz... they are looking into it.

Thanks for the confirmation on NPD's doing homework on the PSIC. Personally, I figured there would be no way the city would take on EMS. That's why I emphasized it's been chatter. Who knows? Maybe MONOC would take it.

(Takes Cover)

ShoreBullets · #7 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 8:48 AM

I doubt UMDNJ EMS would go anywhere. They have way to much stuff, to much specialty apparatus from the Task Force. Provide to much service through REMCS and handle all Rescue assignments in Newark with Rescue 1. The hospital can still operate EMS, they just wont educate anymore

RadioDitch · #8 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 1:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ShoreBullets

I doubt UMDNJ EMS would go anywhere. They have way to much stuff, to much specialty apparatus from the Task Force. Provide to much service through REMCS and handle all Rescue assignments in Newark with Rescue 1. The hospital can still operate EMS, they just wont educate anymore

We'll see about REMCS. Their line up seems to be changing, sans Newark, hospital, and state related dispatch. South Orange EMS is now dispatched by Union County, and there are reports Irvington is now talking to the folks in the Froehlich Building about numbers.

ff75 · #9 (**permalink**) 12-05-2012, 9:56 AM

They handed out some radios to be fielded tested. Trk 5, deputy 1, Res1 have received the new radios

jcityfire · #10 (**permalink**) 12-05-2012, 8:35 PM

What kind of radios? UFH, VHF? Old system or the 700 system?

Bronco90 · #11 (**permalink**) 12-07-2012, 12:41 AM

PSIC?, I'm sorry for asking but what is "PSIC" ?
Is it digital or analog or encrypited or can I still listen to NFD?
Sorry for the stupid question.

W2SJW · #12 (**permalink**) 12-07-2012, 6:45 AM

It's the state's new 700MHz P25 system. You can listen to it now with a modern digital scanner, but when the system is fully deployed, it will be Phase-II TDMA.

I'm telling people I'm close to that they should wait and see what Uniden is going to bring to market in the first-half of 2013 before they spend their money (many were scared-off of the PSR-800 after GRE USA was forced to close their doors).

Bronco90 · #13 (**permalink**) 12-07-2012, 11:26 AM

Let me guess....
I bought a Uniden BCD996XT digital scanner 2 months ago maybe 3.
But I know my luck, I wasted $500 bucks and won't be able to hear any 700 freq or P25 on now.
Well that's my luck, and I bet the new scanner that will pick it up will cost me another $500 to $800 bucks.

W2SJW · #14 (**permalink**) 12-07-2012, 11:50 AM

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On the contrary, the 996 will do 700 P25 just fine, just not Phase-II P25.

Federal grant rules for these 700 systems stipulate the system must be Phase-II by the time the deployment is complete. There is very few TG's on the PSIC network that are TDMA now, but that will change...

KC2zZe · #15 (**permalink**) 12-07-2012, 1:35 PM

I wonder if Uniden can issue a firmware upgrade that would allow the BCD996XT (and its portable version) to be able to monitor P25 Phase 2 to help out guys in Bronco's boat.

Chauffeur6 · #16 (**permalink**) 12-07-2012, 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KC2zZe

I wonder if Uniden can issue a firmware upgrade that would allow the BCD996XT (and its portable version) to be able to monitor P25 Phase 2 to help out guys in Bronco's boat.

Not possible.

APCO Project 25 - Scanner Support for TDMA - The RadioReference Wiki

Fuzy_GSXR1000 · #17 (**permalink**) 12-07-2012, 7:07 PM

So in short if the Newark Police and fire goes to phase 25 700Mhz I won't be able to monitor them using my Pro-197? That would stink considering the amount of activity the wonderful city of Newark brings to the airwaves!! I probably would have to sell my 197 and get one that would monitor that type of system. I think if I remember correctly there is only one scanner on the market currently that does decrypt that system?!

RadioDitch · #18 (**permalink**) 12-08-2012, 6:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzy_GSXR1000

I think if I remember correctly there is only one scanner on the market currently that does decrypt that system?!

Well, not decrypt. It's not encrypted (lets not go there). But the PSR-800 firmware update came out of nowhere including true Phase II capability. Nobody saw that one coming, and a lot of people flushed money down the drain on newer Unidens thinking we'd be waiting forever for ANYONE to come out with a Phase II capable scanner. I'm one of them. Remember too, GRE stopped production and basically went out of business. Though now they're making a push to restart the business.

Back on-topic though, I think the fact that radios have been issued to companies for testing, and not just line officers is telling. Think it shows NFD may be seriously considering this. I imagine there'd need to be a Newark city site though. West Orange has some decent range, but I could reasonably foresee there being issues.