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Old 11-20-2012, 2:39 PM
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How would a P-25 800MEG ....EF JOHNSON 5100 work for a scanner???...knowing the price is high on these radios...but I would think they should decode better than the RS scanners ect.....anyone tried using comercial radios for scanners? just throwing it out there...
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The EFJ's have great receivers. Anything dedicated to a specific frequency spectrum will do better than a wide-band scanner with low selectivity. The main problem is that the system keys used by the EFJ PCC software are next to impossible to obtain. And of course you you have the affiliation problem if you are not an authorized user.
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From a decoding point of view I'm not sure it would offer much advantage over more common run-of-the-mill off the shelf, and much much cheaper consumer/hobby scanners and receivers.

Why not?
Because P25 decoding is a straightforward software (or ASIC) implemented procedure - in fact you can download P25 software patches for encoding/decoding off the internet for free. There is no secret to it, hence just about any scanner with digital function and processing can have P25 intergrated.

The exception to the above of course is where P25 has been implemented using a manufacturer or brand specific IP core for specific or custom application, or has had encryption added - in which case no scanner with general P25 functionality would be able to monitor.

Where your Johnson 5100 may well offer advantage is in rf performance i.e. the ability to receive and demodulate a P25 transmission in the first place, only because the cost would suggest the quality of the components in 5100 are probably of a higher quality than run of mill components in off-the-shelf scanners. But I say that with reservation, because products like the 5100 tend to be aimed at a specific market and have a whole bunch of design features for that market e.g. packaging durability, operational temp range, water resistance and so on, which cost money to implement and have little to nothing to do with overall rf performance.

Last but not least, the 5100 is very limited as a scanner both in terms of bandwdith and overall frequency coverage - its designed for P25 usage and not much else.

I suspect one or other of the good Radio Shack type scanners would be better value, at half the price or less, and would offer you as good P25 performance with a bunch of other general scanning functions the 5100 wouldn't give you.

..... thats my personal take on this product.

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Thanks for your insight on my question...very interesting points...Mike
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We used 5100's on an 800MHz SmartNet trunked system (analog) for a few years. Nice radios, I always liked them. Some of the accessories were interchangeable with the Motorola Jedi and XTS series accessories.
The receivers were good, the radios were durable and they had a nice LCD. I know a guy who is using one on VHF with the FPP enabled.

I have never used one on P25.

If you were only wanting to scan a few frequencies, they would work fine. As a replacement for a P25 scanner, you likely would be disappointed in the long run. There are the system key issues and a few others. I know with some radios there are work arounds people have come up with. You REALLY do need to be concerned about the affiliation issues, though.
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